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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Ambulances and paramedics are not socialized where I am. They are private businesses who provide excellent service because they are competing with other ambulance companies.

    As far as fire fighters, I have no problem contracting them out. Police should stay as government controlled because they are enforcing government laws. It would probably be more difficult to get citizens to obey private companies that are enforcing government laws.
    Alex, if you're in need of critical care--accident, heart attack, stoke etc., then you have to pay to be taken to a hospital. The city or county doesn't reimburse private emergency transport companies depending on the type of transport and the patients' circumstances?

    So, paramedics arrive at the scene, use the jaws of life to get you out of the car, then you are just left on the side of the road?

    My mother has been transported to the hospital numerous times in the last two years -- the payment for services is sorted out after she is stabilized. Patients without insurance are moved to public facilities when they are able to travel. In L.A. the public hospitals aren't that much further than the private ones--I guess it depends on the patients condition.

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    Sometimes you just have to draw them a picture before they get it.

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Sometimes you just have to draw them a picture before they get it.
    You would think "highly" educated Liberals would do some investigation before they made absurd claims.
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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes. And I said that was inane.


    That should br pretty clear from the rest of my post -- everyone has a right to be paid for goods and/or services he or she provides.
    Fair enough. But what in my post made you think I'm for people working for free or doctors not getting paid?

    Emergency room doctors are paid a salary by the hospital. A private hospital can bill the state medicaid program or medical to be reimbursed for the cost of treating critical patients unable to pay.

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Fair enough. But what in my post made you think I'm for people working for free or doctors not getting paid?
    That's what happens when you force people to provide health care to others w/o them having to pay for it.

    Unless, of course, someone else is forced to pay for it, either other patients from the same facility, or the people of a state trhough taxes.

    That's worse.

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    15. Obamacare still FINES individuals, still CUTS MEDICARE AND MEDICAID, still covers ILLEGALS, still changes public funding of ABORTION, still bends the COST CURVE the wrong way, still taxes BENEFITS (the McCain plan), still looks to END OF LIFE COSTS for scary savings...

    On the "illegals", this problem, If it is a problem, can be solved by fining the wealthy farmers who employ them.
    They come to our nation in search of work - and there seems to be plenty here.
    Wall are senseless.
    On Health Care.
    Greed is the problem.
    Others may know how to solve this, I do not.
    I am, however, thinking of higher taxes, causing the wealthy to cry, no sympathy here.
    On "end of life medical costs", should a man , 75 years of age, be given a new heart ?
    Contraversial and I say NO!
    But, this I kn, ow, a man must have a living will, and he, not the doctors, must determine when he dies.
    good for you, and thanks

    but if you tried to run on that platform, i don't think you'd get 10%

    gotta keep it real, friend

    politics is hard

    clearly too difficult for the doof in the white house

    but, hey, at least he's a "reasonably dedicated student"

    LOL!

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Then, all the stories I have heard about people being denied health care at hospitals are just that....stories... I don't know??
    I do know that its man's weakness to lie.
    And I do know that health care at these hospitals is frightfully expensive.
    Why is this ?
    $1,000 per month is the latest quote I have heard concerning the cost of health care insurance..
    Is this reasonable ?
    If so, then all this "debate" is "much ado about nothing".
    My mind is not made up concerning a solution...But when I think that Canada, Japan, and the Euro countries have government health care and we do not...
    Makes we wonder...why ?
    I'll tell you why.... We subsidize it, we, the USA subsidize Canada's, England's, Japan's, and all of Europe's health care. How you ask?

    Which one of those countries can defend it's self, or has been able to defend it's self in the last 50 years? Who defends them? How much do they save to spend on their health care by letting someone else defend them? Would they still be able to have Socialized health care if they had to have a standing army to defend themselves? Would they still be free if we didnít spend trillions on defending them?Ö or would they all be speaking Russian or Chinese now.

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That's what happens when you force people to provide health care to others w/o them having to pay for it.

    Unless, of course, someone else is forced to pay for it, either other patients from the same facility, or the people of a state trhough taxes.

    That's worse.
    So, you believe the 'safety nets' we have in this country for families with low incomes and the indigent population should be done away with?

    If a person, for whatever reason, finds himself unable to pay for healthcare, then society is not obliged in anyway to help them?

    Should firemen and paramedics carry credit card swipers, too. I mean, we should only be rescuing those fortunate enough to pay, right.

    I'm really trying to understand where you're coming from.

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Which one of those countries can defend it's self, or has been able to defend it's self in the last 50 years?
    Every single one of those countries has been able to defend itself except for Japan. In Japan's case, they aren't legally allowed to have a real army, so not really unreasonable. In case you haven't noticed, Canada has no nearby enemies and Britain has a powerful military and nuclear weapons.

    How much do they save to spend on their health care by letting someone else defend them? Would they still be able to have Socialized health care if they had to have a standing army to defend themselves? Would they still be free if we didnít spend trillions on defending them?Ö or would they all be speaking Russian or Chinese now.
    LMAO. The Chinese are going to attack Europe? The Soviets had to intention of attacking Europe, and even if they did our nuclear program was the only thing that mattered to them.

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    Re: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    So, you believe the 'safety nets' we have in this country for families with low incomes and the indigent population should be done away with?
    If the government is funding them then absolutely. If it's a private charity doing it then that's their prerogative and I commend their actions. However, when it is done by government it is completely devoid of any moral value and in fact is counter-productive since they don't focus much on getting people to be self-sufficient.

    If a person, for whatever reason, finds himself unable to pay for healthcare, then society is not obliged in anyway to help them?
    Obliged, yes. However, who of us has the authority to take from those who refuse to help?

    Should firemen and paramedics carry credit card swipers, too. I mean, we should only be rescuing those fortunate enough to pay, right.
    We receive protection proportional to what we have when we pay for firemen and police. It's not the most efficient way of doing things, but we receive what we put in.

    I'm really trying to understand where you're coming from.
    I can't justify theft in any form.

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