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    Re: Sebelius: Talk of `death panels' is scare tactic

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    In that we will agree to disagree.
    It is foolish to expect the Govt. to save everyone.
    I'm not sure we're disagreeing.
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    Re: Sebelius: Talk of `death panels' is scare tactic

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You can call it the same thing that the PRIVATE insurance companies do now since they are doing the same thing. Do you call the private insurance companies "Death Panels"?
    Actually, I call them money grubbing leeches. I've been arguing for years that we would be better off without insurance companies, and just pay doctors directly. Since I have thus far been unable to persuade people of the obvious correctness of that position, I am compelled to adopt the secondary stance of arguing for the most economically efficient and least unethical use of health insurance.

    Are insurance policies inadequate? Yes. Should people rely on them exclusively the way they do? No. Should people take better care of their health to avoid the need for doctors and hospitals and magic happy pills? Absolutely.

    However, if we are going to have insurance, the proper thing to do is focus efforts on making insurance markets efficient and responsive to individual wants and needs. Heaping more inefficient, ineffective, and unresponsive regulation on those markets is three gigantic steps in a very wrong direction.

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    Re: Sebelius: Talk of `death panels' is scare tactic

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    It is foolish to put the government in the position of saving people period.
    Why?
    NHS was designed to help and save others and it still does that.
    I'd rather have Government running it than private companies who only goal is money ignoring the human aspect of it.

    At least i have more control over my GP than i would a insurance company.


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    Re: Sebelius: Talk of `death panels' is scare tactic

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Why?
    NHS was designed to help and save others and it still does that.
    I'd rather have Government running it than private companies who only goal is money ignoring the human aspect of it.

    At least i have more control over my GP than i would a insurance company.
    I'd rather have people in the position of saving themselves. No insurance companies and no GovernmentCare. If that is not feasible, I would prefer a flexible and responsive insurance market that maximizes patient choice and thus patient power.

    In the United States, we do not have a sufficiently flexible and responsive insurance market, but the lunatic left's idea of reform is to make the market less flexible and less responsive by making it a government bureaucracy instead. Basically, their idea of a solution is to make the problem ten times worse.

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    Re: Sebelius: Talk of `death panels' is scare tactic

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    My Way News - Sebelius: Talk of `death panels' is scare tactic

    What else can we call a "comparative effectiveness research commission" empowered to decide whether it is more "effective" to treat granny or to let her
    die, if not a "death panel"?
    So then what you are saying is that if the government is going to provide an alternatively cheaper health care plan it shouldn't consider who should is eligible for such a plan. I don't get how this means it is a death panel. Would you instead support the government providing health care for everyone? Universally? Regardless of what that would mean for your taxes? Or would you rather let companies decide instead who should be covered and who shouldn't?
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    Re: Sebelius: Talk of `death panels' is scare tactic

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Insurance companies are delivering on a contract. If folks aren't getting the right terms in the contract, then we should be focusing on getting the right terms, and then being prepared to pay accordingly. If the coverage is inadequate the resolution is to buy more coverage; the flaw in private insurance is one that marketplace negotiation is quite able to resolve, if the market mechanisms were allowed back into health insurance.
    I think your statement perfectly sums up the argument.

    If the insurance comapny isn't meting it's obligations under the contract agreed to, there are ways to seek remedy.

    However, a vast majority of claim denials are accurate under the contract that was agreed to by both the insurance company and the client.

    If the client seeks additional coverage, they can certainly do so.

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    Re: Sebelius: Talk of `death panels' is scare tactic

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Why?
    NHS was designed to help and save others and it still does that.
    I'd rather have Government running it than private companies who only goal is money ignoring the human aspect of it.

    At least i have more control over my GP than i would a insurance company.

    BS!

    If you think you will have more control over a government plan than a private plan then I bet you need mental health counseling. Maybe that will be in this turd of a program, but then it would be too late.
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    Re: Sebelius: Talk of `death panels' is scare tactic

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Why?
    NHS was designed to help and save others and it still does that.
    I'd rather have Government running it than private companies who only goal is money ignoring the human aspect of it.

    At least i have more control over my GP than i would a insurance company.
    The private company will view you as a source of profit. A big part of a company making profit, is the happiness of its customers.

    The government will just view your health care as a liability.

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    Re: Sebelius: Talk of `death panels' is scare tactic

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I think your statement perfectly sums up the argument.

    If the insurance comapny isn't meting it's obligations under the contract agreed to, there are ways to seek remedy.

    However, a vast majority of claim denials are accurate under the contract that was agreed to by both the insurance company and the client.

    If the client seeks additional coverage, they can certainly do so.

    1. Open up the buying of health insurance across State borders.

    2. Tort reform.

    3. Government sponsored programs to clean up the medical malpractice similar to the FAA and NTSB in commercial aviation.

    4. More medical schools that will increase the total number of doctors.

    Just a few doable ideas. Hell, I'm just an old used up Polack and I can come up with better ideas than this 1000+ page turd of a Bill.
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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    Re: Sebelius: Talk of `death panels' is scare tactic

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Why?
    NHS was designed to help and save others and it still does that.
    I'd rather have Government running it than private companies who only goal is money ignoring the human aspect of it.

    At least i have more control over my GP than i would a insurance company.
    No you dont. The government is the sole decider on your life and death. You can not choose a doctor and if you are over 50 then you are on limited time since if you get sick then the government does not think it is worth curing you.. Dont you read the talking points!?!?!

    It is much much better when a private insurance company does this, because they are only out for money after all! It is not like they would deny you a cure because it is "too expensive" or you happen to forget to mention you had ingrown toe nail removed 30 years ago.. I mean that never happens at all...
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