Speaking in Mexico, Obama Calls American Opponents of Immigration Amnesty ‘Demagogues

Americans were fooled once with a so called compromise,why does he think Americans will be stupid enough to fall for the same **** twice?

CNSNews.com - Speaking in Mexico, Obama Calls American Opponents of Immigration Amnesty ?Demagogues?
At a joint press conference with Mexican President Felipe Calderon and the Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper in Guadalajara, Mexico on Monday, President Barack Obama referred to American opponents of amnesty for illegal aliens as “demagogues.”

Obama was in Guadalajara for a trilateral summit with Calderon and Harper.

Obama was asked by a reporter whether “given the fight that you're having to wage for health care, I wonder if you can tell us what you think the prospects are for immigration reform, for comprehensive immigration reform, which you've said is your goal; and whether you think that the blows you're taking now on health care and that the Democrats are likely to take around the midterm elections will make it hard, if not impossible, to achieve comprehensive immigration reform in this term and what you've told President Calderón about that?”
Obama gave a long answer indicating that he believed he could secure an immigration reform package that included a “pathway to citizenship” for illegal immigrants. In his answer, he characterized opponents of this “pathway” as “demagogues.”






Now this part cracked me up,How is granting amnesty to 12-20 millions illegals fair when people who came here legally did not get amnesty? Fairness is telling all the illegals to piss off go back to your country and wait your damn turn like everyone else today is.

“But ultimately, I think the American people want fairness,” Obama continued. “And we can create a system in which you have strong border security, we have an orderly process for people to come in, but we're also giving an opportunity for those who are already in the United States to be able to achieve a pathway to citizenship so that they don't have to live in the shadows, and their children and their grandchildren can have a full participation in the United States. So I'm confident we can get it done.”

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Your story did not supply the full answer to the question I would be interested in his full remarks rather than a quote out of context.

By the way a demagogue is a political leader who uses prejudice to gain a following.

Immigration reform is an incredibly complex problem and I am surprised at the people who think it has simple solution. I hear all the time that they should just be rounded up and sent back. Political suicide for whatever party tries it will be the only reward. Besides Illegal aliens serve the purposes of both parties. Cheaper labor costs appeal to conservatives, more voters appeal to democrats.

Immigration reform must contain some kind of path to legality to the ones already here. Think about how expensive and it would be to round up about 12 million people and transport them elsewhere. Think about the PR nightmare for our country and how Mexico, CA, and S America would be impossible to deal with afterwards. Think about how America would look having officially authorized bounty hunts on a resident population.

Stop for minute and think about the expense and aftermath of an immigration reform that would rip millions from their adopted homes, load them on cattle cars and dump them south of the border without a further thought. Any leader who tells you treating millions of people like worthless garbage is a good idea can be rightly called a demagogue.

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angrycarpenter said:

Immigration reform must contain some kind of path to legality to the ones already here.

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No it doesn't.The last time they had a so called immigration reform we got amnesty for illegals and 12-20 million illegals 20 years later. I do not want 3 tie as many illegals in this country 20 years from now.

Think about how expensive and it would be to round up about 12 million people and transport them elsewhere.

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Roudning up illegals is not the only solution,why do pro-illegals pretend that this is somehow the only solution that those who are against illegal immigration can come up with?

Think about the PR nightmare for our country and how Mexico, CA, and S America would be impossible to deal with afterwards. Think about how America would look having officially authorized bounty hunts on a resident population.

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I could care less how scum in other country look at the US.It is not my elected officials job to kiss their ass it is their job to kiss ours.

Stop for minute and think about the expense and aftermath of an immigration reform that would rip millions from their adopted homes, load them on cattle cars and dump them south of the border without a further thought.

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Oklahoma has some other toughest anti-illegal immigration laws in the country and I have yet to hear how it is draining the state. I find it hard to believe that denying tax payer funded services to illegals would some how cost much more. If you enact laws to make it impossible for illegals to live here then then most will leave and it will not cost much to round up the rest.

Any leader who tells you treating millions of people like worthless garbage is a good idea can be rightly called a demagogue.

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Expelling tresspassers is not treating people like garbage.

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Obama shows that if you don't agree with him, your opinion doesn't matter or count.

HOPE AND CHANGE!

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jamesrage said:

Expelling tresspassers is not treating people like garbage.

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These people are our slave class, they have few rights but they haul your garbage, cook your food, watch your kids, mow your grass, kill your cows, pigs and chickens for you, pick our crops, build your house, repair your roof, fix your dents, wipe your behind when you get old and feeble and do a thousand other things that few Americans want to dirty their hands with and in return many want to snatch them from what life they have manged to build here and dump them penniless across the border.

I am not suggesting that everyone should just be given a free ride. I am just suggesting that everyone involved in the solution whatever it may be remember that these are human beings we are dealing with.


Right now we are at least on speaking terms with the country of Mexico and our president can visit there without too much concern for his safety. If we started mass roundups, mass imprisonment, or any kind of hardline crack down on the general population of Mexicans in our country, we would be forced to militarize the border. We would make an enemy of an entire country and we would face them across one of the longest undefended borders in the world.

I would love to turn back time and change some of the mistakes of the past but here in present we are stuck with what we have and no real way to fix it using traditional punitive measures. We are many years too late to start enforcing the laws on the books. Mexicans have been crossing that border since that border was drawn to do our dirty work and as long as Americans refuse to work like slaves for less than minimum wage they will continue to come.

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angrycarpenter said:

Right now we are at least on speaking terms with the country of Mexico and our president can visit there without too much concern for his safety. If we started mass roundups, mass imprisonment, or any kind of hardline crack down on the general population of Mexicans in our country, we would be forced to militarize the border. We would make an enemy of an entire country and we would face them across one of the longest undefended borders in the world.

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At the rate Calderon is losing the drug war in Mexico, we'll be forced to militarize the border before long anyway. If that ever happens, I think I would rather have all the illegals back on the Mexican side of that border.

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angrycarpenter said:

These people are our slave class, they have few rights but they haul your garbage, cook your food, watch your kids, mow your grass, kill your cows, pigs and chickens for you, pick our crops, build your house, repair your roof, fix your dents, wipe your behind when you get old and feeble and do a thousand other things that few Americans want to dirty their hands with and in return many want to snatch them from what life they have manged to build here and dump them penniless across the border.

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They do not do those things in my state. My state does not give sanctuary to illegals. My state enacted one of the toughest anti-illegal immigration laws in the country. So it is Americans who do those jobs in my state. Maybe in tolerant compassionate liberal states illegals are exploited and treated like a slave class.

I am not suggesting that everyone should just be given a free ride. I am just suggesting that everyone involved in the solution whatever it may be remember that these are human beings we are dealing with.

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No one has claimed these people are not human.

Right now we are at least on speaking terms with the country of Mexico and our president can visit there without too much concern for his safety.

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I would rather the president of my country not go over there to toss the salad of those who wish to **** on our sovereignty.

If we started mass roundups, mass imprisonment, or any kind of hardline crack down on the general population of Mexicans in our country,

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If we denied tax payer funded services and crack down on the scum who hire illegals in all states we wouldn't need to do any mass round ups.

we would be forced to militarize the border.

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Thats what we should do.Many of those who are actually against illegal immigration support militarizing the border.

We would make an enemy of an entire country and we would face them across one of the longest undefended borders in the world.

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If we militarized our border which as you claim would make an enemy out of Mexico how would our borders not be undefended? Isn't the idea of militarizing the border is putting troops on the border to guard and defend the borders?

I would love to turn back time and change some of the mistakes of the past but here in present we are stuck with what we have and no real way to fix it

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We have lots of ways of fixing it that does not involve amnesty.Enforce the laws the laws that are already on the books,crack down on employers, deny tax payer funded services such DMV services,school and so on. Most of the illegals in Oklahoma left since it started changing some laws.

We are many years too late to start enforcing the laws on the books.

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No its not.

Mexicans have been crossing that border since that border was drawn to do our dirty work and as long as Americans refuse to work like slaves for less than minimum wage they will continue to come.

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As long as we allow dishonest scum to hire illegals then people will come across to do work for below minimum wage and perform other jobs for substandard wages. So the obvious solution is crack down on the scum hiring illegals.

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Actually, some of what Obama said is true.

There will be people that will object to any form of pathway for legalization for those who are already in the United States... However, Obama labeling those people "Demagogues", especially to foreign leaders, is another example of bad leadership on his part. He's playing domestic politics on foreign soil, like he was at a campaign rally or something.

What he did, was in effect tell other world leaders that America is full of racists who oppose amnesty because they hate Mexicans and/or immigrants, rather than portraying those people as being opposed based on the rule of law... the law he swore to uphold and respect when he took the oath of office.

Notice he called those who are undocumented, "those who are already here", rather than saying "those who are illegally here".

It was a bad move, and in poor taste... I give him 2 thumbs down.

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Let me tell you about a chicken processing company here in North Alabama. You've all heard their name, chances are you have their products in your fridge right now.

About 7 years ago at one particular plant, management sent out letters to all employees. It was in response to the high numbers of complaints they were getting that the line was being run much too fast and it was contributing to a rash of serious injuries.

The letter stated that everyone was being given a paid week off for the plant to upgrade the line and add safety upgrades to prevent future finger losses that were epidemic in the plant.

Everyone went home happy that their voice had finally been heard by management.

But what they did was much different than what they said. The only upgrade they did was to build a high security gate on the front and hire armed guards to man it. They then sent out letters to all of the employees telling them that they were fired and to not show up at work and that the law would be called if they stepped back on the property.

The following week brand new buses were seen bringing Mexican workers through the gate. They have been raided by INS a good half dozen times since and they always see them coming. They round up a few, levy a fine, and business returns to normal. This is SOP at nearly every meat packing plant in our country.

Where do these undocumented workers go to cash their checks? The bus home on payday stops at the local Wal-mart where they go in and cash them without ID.

If you eat meat there is a near certainty that an illegal alien killed it or cut it up. That money they have in their pockets came from Walmart.If you want to go after illegal aliens the meat packing industry is an excellent place to start. America has paid a terrible cost for the desire to have a workforce who will never complain or attempt to unionize.

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Obama and those who support amnesty or whatever the **** they try to cloak it this week are nothing but fools. All amnesty does it reward bad behavior and nothing more. If they came here illegal they need to leave (either willingly or by force) and get to the back of the line. Being in retail and all I deal with illegals on a daily basis, none of them know any type of english and they expect me to speak spanish. If it wasnt for the fact that I could get fired I would have no problem posting a sign that says No shirts, No Shoes, No English, No service.

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angrycarpenter said:

Right now we are at least on speaking terms with the country of Mexico and our president can visit there without too much concern for his safety. If we started mass roundups, mass imprisonment, or any kind of hardline crack down on the general population of Mexicans in our country, we would be forced to militarize the border. We would make an enemy of an entire country and we would face them across one of the longest undefended borders in the world.

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You say that like Mexico is going to invade, or something. I think we all know that ain't gonna happen. Who cares if we make an enemy of Mexico?

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apdst said:

You say that like Mexico is going to invade, or something. I think we all know that ain't gonna happen. Who cares if we make an enemy of Mexico?

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Now I know your secret identity! But why would you be posting here Mr. Bolton?

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Grim17 said:

What he did, was in effect tell other world leaders that America is full of racists who oppose amnesty because they hate Mexicans and/or immigrants, rather than portraying those people as being opposed based on the rule of law... the law he swore to uphold and respect when he took the oath of office.

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It wouldn't be grossly inaccurate if he had, considering that there's reasonably sound evidence that such sentiments are substantially more common than they're typically depicted as, of course. For example, we could consult Is Immigration a Racial Issue? Anglo Attitudes on Immigration Policies in a Border County:

Objective: This study assesses the association between Anglo aversion to Latinos, physical proximity to Latinos, and contact with ethnic minorities, with expressed preferences for immigration policies.

Methods: Data were drawn from a telephone survey of San Diego County, California, residents ( N=549 Anglos) using random-digit-dial procedures during 2005–2006 that was conducted by closely supervised professional interviewers. Descriptive reports, tau-b correlations, and multivariate logistic regressions were used for analysis.

Results: Aversion to Latinos, as indicated by an adaptation of the Bogardus social distance scale, was related to more restrictionist attitudes about legal and Mexican immigration. Associations increased when respondents were primed to consider Mexican immigration, although aversion to Latinos was not related to attitudes about amnesty for undocumented persons. Contrary to some previous findings, proximity to Latino populations increased opposition to legal immigration and amnesty. Reported minority contact had minimal impact but increased support for amnesty.

Conclusions: Attitudes about immigration may be motivated more by racial resentments than other considerations. Future research should identify racial factors that influence Anglo policy positions beyond the classic Anglo/African division that has dominated this research arena.

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Anglo sentiments could undoubtedly shift outside of a border city, of course. But I doubt the fundamental nature of the perceptions observed here would be much altered, especially considering the blatant irrationality and aversion to mere factual evidence obvious in the approaches of people like rage. :shrug:

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angrycarpenter said:

Now I know your secret identity! But why would you be posting here Mr. Bolton?

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How is apdst wrong? The only invasion Mexico has done is in the form of close to 12-20 million of its citizens trespassing into the US(not a military invasion) and many people here in the US could care less if Mexico becomes our enemy. Mexico becoming our enemy would probably be a good thing seeing how it would actually encourage those in office to tightly secure the border and actually see those who harbor illegals as one of the causes of the problem instead of cheap votes and scum who hire illegals as the cause of the problem instead of as campaign contributions.

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jamesrage said:

How is apdst wrong? The only invasion Mexico has done is in the form of close to 12-20 million of its citizens trespassing into the US(not a military invasion) and many people here in the US could care less if Mexico becomes our enemy. Mexico becoming our enemy would probably be a good thing seeing how it would actually encourage those in office to tightly secure the border and actually see those who harbor illegals as one of the causes of the problem instead of cheap votes and scum who hire illegals as the cause of the problem instead of as campaign contributions.

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To Militarize the border would require creating some sort of DMZ. Are you for seizing thousands of square miles of private property? The federal government already ran into trouble building that wall because they were cutting off access to private property that ran right to the border. What if the government came to you and said that you WILL give them your back forty?

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It would require more than that, frankly. It would require the establishment of authoritarian police state policies that there would be legitimate ethical objections to. When we consider the fact that immigration both legal and illegal continues to be spurred by the consequences of trade liberalization in Mexico, we ought to be glaring harder at the U.S. financial class than at Mexican immigrants.

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Agnapostate said:

It would require more than that, frankly. It would require the establishment of authoritarian police state policies that there would be legitimate ethical objections to. When we consider the fact that immigration both legal and illegal continues to be spurred by the consequences of trade liberalization in Mexico, we ought to be glaring harder at the U.S. financial class than at Mexican immigrants.

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Yes, I remember hearing last year that NAFTA had made corn prices so high in Mexico that regular people were having a great deal of trouble feeding their families. I don't remember the mechanism but it had something to do with the ethanol rush.

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Good greif.

Bobo has been in office less than a year and already I'm a...

Potenial terrorist.

A demagogue.

A racist.

A Nazi.

A mob.

Oh, yes, Un-American.

I wonder what I will be next week.