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    Re: Speaking in Mexico, Obama Calls American Opponents of Immigration Amnesty 船emago

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    Right now we are at least on speaking terms with the country of Mexico and our president can visit there without too much concern for his safety. If we started mass roundups, mass imprisonment, or any kind of hardline crack down on the general population of Mexicans in our country, we would be forced to militarize the border. We would make an enemy of an entire country and we would face them across one of the longest undefended borders in the world.
    You say that like Mexico is going to invade, or something. I think we all know that ain't gonna happen. Who cares if we make an enemy of Mexico?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Speaking in Mexico, Obama Calls American Opponents of Immigration Amnesty 船emago

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You say that like Mexico is going to invade, or something. I think we all know that ain't gonna happen. Who cares if we make an enemy of Mexico?
    Now I know your secret identity! But why would you be posting here Mr. Bolton?

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    Re: Speaking in Mexico, Obama Calls American Opponents of Immigration Amnesty ‘Demago

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    What he did, was in effect tell other world leaders that America is full of racists who oppose amnesty because they hate Mexicans and/or immigrants, rather than portraying those people as being opposed based on the rule of law... the law he swore to uphold and respect when he took the oath of office.
    It wouldn't be grossly inaccurate if he had, considering that there's reasonably sound evidence that such sentiments are substantially more common than they're typically depicted as, of course. For example, we could consult Is Immigration a Racial Issue? Anglo Attitudes on Immigration Policies in a Border County:

    Objective: This study assesses the association between Anglo aversion to Latinos, physical proximity to Latinos, and contact with ethnic minorities, with expressed preferences for immigration policies.

    Methods: Data were drawn from a telephone survey of San Diego County, California, residents ( N=549 Anglos) using random-digit-dial procedures during 2005–2006 that was conducted by closely supervised professional interviewers. Descriptive reports, tau-b correlations, and multivariate logistic regressions were used for analysis.

    Results: Aversion to Latinos, as indicated by an adaptation of the Bogardus social distance scale, was related to more restrictionist attitudes about legal and Mexican immigration. Associations increased when respondents were primed to consider Mexican immigration, although aversion to Latinos was not related to attitudes about amnesty for undocumented persons. Contrary to some previous findings, proximity to Latino populations increased opposition to legal immigration and amnesty. Reported minority contact had minimal impact but increased support for amnesty.

    Conclusions: Attitudes about immigration may be motivated more by racial resentments than other considerations. Future research should identify racial factors that influence Anglo policy positions beyond the classic Anglo/African division that has dominated this research arena.
    Anglo sentiments could undoubtedly shift outside of a border city, of course. But I doubt the fundamental nature of the perceptions observed here would be much altered, especially considering the blatant irrationality and aversion to mere factual evidence obvious in the approaches of people like rage.

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    Re: Speaking in Mexico, Obama Calls American Opponents of Immigration Amnesty 船emago

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    Now I know your secret identity! But why would you be posting here Mr. Bolton?
    How is apdst wrong? The only invasion Mexico has done is in the form of close to 12-20 million of its citizens trespassing into the US(not a military invasion) and many people here in the US could care less if Mexico becomes our enemy. Mexico becoming our enemy would probably be a good thing seeing how it would actually encourage those in office to tightly secure the border and actually see those who harbor illegals as one of the causes of the problem instead of cheap votes and scum who hire illegals as the cause of the problem instead of as campaign contributions.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Speaking in Mexico, Obama Calls American Opponents of Immigration Amnesty 船emago

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How is apdst wrong? The only invasion Mexico has done is in the form of close to 12-20 million of its citizens trespassing into the US(not a military invasion) and many people here in the US could care less if Mexico becomes our enemy. Mexico becoming our enemy would probably be a good thing seeing how it would actually encourage those in office to tightly secure the border and actually see those who harbor illegals as one of the causes of the problem instead of cheap votes and scum who hire illegals as the cause of the problem instead of as campaign contributions.
    To Militarize the border would require creating some sort of DMZ. Are you for seizing thousands of square miles of private property? The federal government already ran into trouble building that wall because they were cutting off access to private property that ran right to the border. What if the government came to you and said that you WILL give them your back forty?

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    Re: Speaking in Mexico, Obama Calls American Opponents of Immigration Amnesty 船emago

    It would require more than that, frankly. It would require the establishment of authoritarian police state policies that there would be legitimate ethical objections to. When we consider the fact that immigration both legal and illegal continues to be spurred by the consequences of trade liberalization in Mexico, we ought to be glaring harder at the U.S. financial class than at Mexican immigrants.

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    Re: Speaking in Mexico, Obama Calls American Opponents of Immigration Amnesty 船emago

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    It would require more than that, frankly. It would require the establishment of authoritarian police state policies that there would be legitimate ethical objections to. When we consider the fact that immigration both legal and illegal continues to be spurred by the consequences of trade liberalization in Mexico, we ought to be glaring harder at the U.S. financial class than at Mexican immigrants.
    Yes, I remember hearing last year that NAFTA had made corn prices so high in Mexico that regular people were having a great deal of trouble feeding their families. I don't remember the mechanism but it had something to do with the ethanol rush.

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    Re: Speaking in Mexico, Obama Calls American Opponents of Immigration Amnesty 船emago

    Good greif.

    Bobo has been in office less than a year and already I'm a...

    Potenial terrorist.

    A demagogue.

    A racist.

    A Nazi.

    A mob.

    Oh, yes, Un-American.

    I wonder what I will be next week.
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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