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    I agree there must be a separation of church and state. I agree that one must abide by the rules, even if one thinks they are silly. You work to change them
    Students, teachers and local pastors are protesting over a court case involving a northern Florida school principal and an athletic director who are facing criminal charges and up to six months in jail over their offer of a mealtime prayer.
    but to be facing 6 months in prison for a prayer over a meal, that seems to be a tad bit overkill do you not think.
    and some people call the religious zealots

    School prayer charges stir protests - Washington Times
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    Re: School prayer charges stir protests

    You forgot to include the link. I'd like to read more.
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    Re: School prayer charges stir protests

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    I agree there must be a separation of church and state. I agree that one must abide by the rules, even if one thinks they are silly. You work to change them

    but to be facing 6 months in prison for a prayer over a meal, that seems to be a tad bit overkill do you not think.
    and some people call the religious zealots
    I agree that it is overboard, but it's highly unlikely that they will face six months, which is obviously the maximum penalty.

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    Re: School prayer charges stir protests

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    You forgot to include the link. I'd like to read more.
    School prayer charges stir protests - Washington Times

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    Re: School prayer charges stir protests

    This is a link to the story -- it's AP, so there are many links to many papers, etc..

    School prayer charges stir protests - Washington Times

    There's a great deal going on here which makes both sides look pretty bad.

    Seems like the school employee handbook is completely out of line, yet at the same time, I don't see how you can forbid the valedictorian from speaking just because she "might" say something "Christian."

    But the actual incident in question was after school hours and did not involve any students. That's an overreach, in my view. If that violates the separation of church and state, just because it was in a school building, then no church halls should ever be voting places.
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    Re: School prayer charges stir protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    But the actual incident in question was after school hours and did not involve any students.
    Well, someone is lying then:

    Mr. Staver said no students were present at the event, which was held on school property but after school hours.

    "He wasn't thinking he was violating an order," he said. "Neither did the athletic director. He was asked to pray and so he did."

    Mr. Mach said the event was during the school day and that Mr. Lay, the school's principal, has said in writing that students were present.

    "Decisions about the religious upbringing of children should be left in the hands of parents, not school officials," he said. As to whether prayer constitutes "religious upbringing," he said, "If school officials were promoting non-majority faiths and religious viewpoints, I suspect there'd be an uproar."

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    Re: School prayer charges stir protests

    It sounds to me like he wasn't acting as a school official, but was (in this instance, though not others) just a private citizen praying on school grounds. He was arrested for violating a court order, and it's entirely possible that the order was worded such that his actions violated it. If so I believe he has a good case to argue that the court order was unconstitutional, but arresting him was still the proper course of action. I'll wait until I get some more info to make a definitive statement

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    Re: School prayer charges stir protests

    They are being charged with contempt of court for not following the terms of a lawsuit settlement entered into by the school district. The district agreed to bar all school employees from promoting or sponsoring prayers during school-sponsored events; holding school events at church venues when a secular alternative was available; or promoting their religious beliefs or attempting to convert students in class or during school-sponsored events.

    The defendents offered mealtime prayers at a lunch for school employees and booster-club members who had helped with a school field-house project. Mr. Staver said no students were present at the event, which was held on school property but after school hours. "He wasn't thinking he was violating an order," he said. "Neither did the athletic director. He was asked to pray and so he did."
    Tough call in terms of violating the agreement. 6 months. Nah. The case alone will stop them from doing it again.
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    Re: School prayer charges stir protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Well, someone is lying then:
    Apparently someone is.
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    Re: School prayer charges stir protests

    Would Jesus have approved of this prayer?
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