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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    When did we start?
    June, 1945, as soon as we won your war for you.

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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

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    June, 1945, as soon as we won your war for you.
    We started running ads on US Domestic issues and discussing it and attacking it?

    Interesting.
    Now prove that assertion from 1945 if you please.


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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

    I'll take that back. A more appropriate date is the day Chucky DeGaulle insisted on riding into Paris leading the French Army that did nothing to liberate Paris. You can study the history books to find the exact date for that event.

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYrlDlrLDSQ"]YouTube - Ronald Reagan speaks out on Socialized Medicine - Audio[/ame]
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YR0H-C65yM"]YouTube - Ronald Reagan speaks out about obama's Socialized Medicine[/ame]
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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

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    Although personally if I was Swiss then I would be asking lots of questions on why your system is so expensive and try to cut down that cost but that is me
    Oh, we do. Every year, when the government and the insurance companies get together to reevaluate the premiums and they invariably go up.
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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Oh, we do. Every year, when the government and the insurance companies get together to reevaluate the premiums and they invariably go up.
    Maybe it is time to re-evaluate that method since I see a huge conflict of interest there
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Maybe it is time to re-evaluate that method since I see a huge conflict of interest there
    No, it actually works quite well. The problem with the rising costs is some regions' healthcare habits. There is a reason why Swiss Germans manage to keep their costs down. Their cultural approach to healthcare is much more responsible than in the rest of the country. They don't run to the doctor for every sniffle like the morons around here where I live do. And they certainly don't have two or more major hospitals within a 30km radius.
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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    No, it actually works quite well. The problem with the rising costs is some regions' healthcare habits. There is a reason why Swiss Germans manage to keep their costs down. Their cultural approach to healthcare is much more responsible than in the rest of the country. They don't run to the doctor for every sniffle like the morons around here where I live do. And they certainly don't have two or more major hospitals within a 30km radius.
    Habits is one thing, however I doubt that Swiss habits are that much different than the other countries including that of going into the doctor for the sniffles and what not. I know we had and have that problem in Denmark. Does it drive costs up? Sure, but by that much? I have my doubts. It is "odd" that the 2 most expensive healthcare systems on the planet are mostly private run and do not provide massive better healthcare results than those with both a private/public UHC system.

    My point is that I have a natural scepticism of any system where private companies are involved in critical aspects of "public" life and especially when those private companies have to negotiate with Government for something. Private companies want profit naturally, and the Government should be getting the best deal as possible, however if those on the Government side of the negotiating table have an interest in "boosting" profits in said private companies then we got a problem and the normal citizen will get the short stick.

    Now I dont know about campaign funding in Swiss politics, but I do know that in most European countries it is not allowed for companies or head of companies to contribute to political campaigns or parties. This is to prevent any conflict of interest in cases where the possible elected official has to negotiate with the private sector. Are companies allowed to back political parties or persons there? Are politicians allowed to own stock in companies they are negotiating with and so on?
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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Habits is one thing, however I doubt that Swiss habits are that much different than the other countries including that of going into the doctor for the sniffles and what not. I know we had and have that problem in Denmark. Does it drive costs up? Sure, but by that much? I have my doubts. It is "odd" that the 2 most expensive healthcare systems on the planet are mostly private run and do not provide massive better healthcare results than those with both a private/public UHC system.
    It does drive costs up. But what drives them up even more is having costly hospitals every couple of miles.

    My point is that I have a natural scepticism of any system where private companies are involved in critical aspects of "public" life and especially when those private companies have to negotiate with Government for something. Private companies want profit naturally, and the Government should be getting the best deal as possible, however if those on the Government side of the negotiating table have an interest in "boosting" profits in said private companies then we got a problem and the normal citizen will get the short stick.
    Well, there's no way the Swiss Germans will agree to a government run health care where they end up footing the bill for the irresponsible parts of the country and where their freedom to choose their doctors and hospitals might be compromised. Right now, every canton sets its own premiums and they benefit from that. Seeing as they are the largest voting block in the country, what they say goes.

    Now I dont know about campaign funding in Swiss politics, but I do know that in most European countries it is not allowed for companies or head of companies to contribute to political campaigns or parties. This is to prevent any conflict of interest in cases where the possible elected official has to negotiate with the private sector. Are companies allowed to back political parties or persons there? Are politicians allowed to own stock in companies they are negotiating with and so on?
    If IIRC, I think we have whole political parties here that are funded by banks and other companies. I'm not sure about stock ownership, but I'm pretty sure that the Minister for Health (the one who negotiates with the insurance companies) can't be privately involved with any of them. That would create a major scandal the likes of which the country rarely sees.
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