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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not only that but we are presented here with a false dilemma of either status quo or UHC when there are other options no one is putting on the table.
    I think that is rubbish and i have stated as much in numerous posts in regards to the US System.

    I believe the majority of Americans wish for a reform of the current system but do not want a European-like healthcare and rightly so.
    It is not black and white issue, no one system is right and the other wrong.


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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Prove that the UK's NHS is not the "gold standard" in the EU?

    The UK's life expectancy is lower than Andorra, France, Switzerland, Sweden, Italy, Spain, Monaco, Liechtenstein, Norway, Greece, Austria, Malta, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Germany and Belgium.

    The list is about the same if we look at infant mortality just with a few different countries in there.

    So the NHS is not a "gold standard" by any means as I understand "gold standard". It is good and covers everyone and provides quality healthcare and improves the health of the whole population, just like all other UHC systems in Europe.. just some of them do it better.
    I never said the U.K.'s NHS system is the gold standard of Europe.

    I given you clear reasons why all those numbers are different you just reject the idea and hide behind "racism."
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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I would consider Switzerland and the UK to be among the worst in Europe...but they're both better than the American health care system. Hell, even the Canadian health care system is better than ours, and their system is a mess.

    Switzerland UHC rocks. Where have you been?


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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I think that is rubbish and i have stated as much in numerous posts in regards to the US System.

    I believe the majority of Americans wish for a reform of the current system but do not want a European-like healthcare and rightly so.
    It is not black and white issue, no one system is right and the other wrong.
    I agree, hell I LOVE Europe and all of it's respective countries.

    I wanted to possibly immigrate there, as your cultures are extremely interesting a lot different than ours.
    I hate the who is better argument.
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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I would consider Switzerland and the UK to be among the worst in Europe...but they're both better than the American health care system. Hell, even the Canadian health care system is better than ours, and their system is a mess.
    Why do you think the Swiss system is one of the worst? Because it's more expensive than most? We also have more freedom with it than most. That comes at a price.
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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I never said the U.K.'s NHS system is the gold standard of Europe.

    I given you clear reasons why all those numbers are different you just reject the idea and hide behind "racism."
    You quoted my answer to the gold standard comment, so hence you were commenting on the gold standard comment. Hence my answer. Not my fault you are not clear on what you want and only out to derail and attack people.
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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You quoted my answer to the gold standard comment, so hence you were commenting on the gold standard comment. Hence my answer. Not my fault you are not clear on what you want and only out to derail and attack people.
    You said the U.K.'s health system is better than the U.S. and I said prove it.
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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I agree, hell I LOVE Europe and all of it's respective countries.

    I hate the who is better argument.
    And we love US right back (no matter how judgemental some of us are)

    There are alot of things i'd love to steal from US as you know and some things in which i believe it is superior to Europe in imo.
    But both bring something new to the world


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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post

    Switzerland UHC rocks. Where have you been?
    Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong country. Isn't Switzerland the one with the public/private hybrid system which costs far more per capita than anywhere else in Europe (but still less than half the cost per capita as the US)?
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    Re: NHS branded 'evil' and 'Orwellian' by high-level US politicians

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Why do you think the Swiss system is one of the worst? Because it's more expensive than most? We also have more freedom with it than most. That comes at a price.
    Fair enough. As I've never been to Switzerland, I'll take your word for it. I'm just relying on what I've read.
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