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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Correct. They were either ignorant enough to fall for it, or intentionally using fraud. Take your pick.

    Doctors whoe experience end of life issues with their loved ones are surprised at how difficult it is, and complex, even given that they themselves work in the profession. Having some professional consultation as an option, was simply good, and right.

    Rejecting it for reasons, as you state, that are not actually real, is bad, and wrong.

    It was rejected for political reasons, i.e. to make health care reform fail. That serves two interests:
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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa, top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said in a statement Thursday that the provision had been dropped from consideration because it could be misinterpreted or implemented incorrectly.
    A health care bill passed by three House committees allows Medicare to reimburse doctors for voluntary counseling sessions about end-of-life decisions.
    Does that mean that now people on the Obama plan will not be able to talk to their doctors about end-of-life decisions?

    ........congrats on the victory?

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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Does that mean that now people on the Obama plan will not be able to talk to their doctors about end-of-life decisions?

    ........congrats on the victory?
    People already talk to their Doctors about end of life care and what options they have, including power of attorney, do not treat, do not resuscitate options, etc..... there was no reason for that provision in this bill other than to get the Government involved in your decision, who would have a monetary interest in hurrying you along so they could "lower health care costs".

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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why should I pay for her desires to be put on paper, let her or her family pay for it.
    In theory, I would think this saves more money than it costs. I suspect most people want a limit to how much care they are given while terminal and/or in a vegetative state, which is very expensive care.

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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I thought you would never ask. I have been holding it back, just for you.

    Here is the interview of Johnny Issakson by the Washington Post.

    Court is adjourned.
    The Senator disagrees:

    WASHINGTON – U.S. Senator Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., today denounced comments made by President Obama and his spokesman regarding Isakson’s alleged connection to language contained in the House health care bill on “end-of-life counseling.”

    Isakson vehemently opposes the House and Senate health care bills and he played no role in drafting language added to the House bill by House Democrats calling for the government to incentivize doctors by offering them money to conduct “end-of-life counseling” with Medicare patients every five years. Isakson also strongly opposed the House bill language calling for doctors to follow a government-mandated list of topics to discuss with patients during the counseling sessions.
    Oops.

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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Reddress,

    It is named the "Comparitive Effectiveness Review Panel" in the house version.

    But I still like Death Panel!.... ; )

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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    Reddress,

    It is named the "Comparitive Effectiveness Review Panel" in the house version.

    But I still like Death Panel!.... ; )
    I have a PDF of HR3200 and that phrase isn't in that bill.... or maybe I should say that the "find" function couldn't find it in that bill, could you tell me where to find it?

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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    People already talk to their Doctors about end of life care and what options they have, including power of attorney, do not treat, do not resuscitate options, etc..... there was no reason for that provision in this bill other than to get the Government involved in your decision, who would have a monetary interest in hurrying you along so they could "lower health care costs".


    The provision in the bill simply would reimburse Medicare patients to talk to a doctor, completely voluntarily. This has been a part of Medicare for some time. Without the provision, Medicare patients would not be reimbursed for this meeting, they only sought to insure that what is already covered would be covered in the new bill



    Oh, Those Death Panels
    You would think that if Republicans wanted to totally mischaracterize a health care provision and demagogue it like nobody's business, they would at least pick something that the vast majority of them hadn't already voted for just a few years earlier. Because that's not just shameless, it's stupid.

    Yes, that's right. Remember the 2003 Medicare prescription drug bill, the one that passed with the votes of 204 GOP House members and 42 GOP Senators? Anyone want to guess what it provided funding for? Did you say counseling for end-of-life issues and care? Ding ding ding!!

    Let's go to the bill text, shall we? "The covered services are: evaluating the beneficiary's need for pain and symptom management, including the individual's need for hospice care; counseling the beneficiary with respect to end-of-life issues and care options, and advising the beneficiary regarding advanced care planning." The only difference between the 2003 provision and the infamous Section 1233 that threatens the very future and moral sanctity of the Republic is that the first applied only to terminally ill patients. Section 1233 would expand funding so that people could voluntarily receive counseling before they become terminally ill.

    So either Republicans were for death panels in 2003 before turning against them now--or they're lying about end-of-life counseling in order to frighten the bejeezus out of their fellow citizens and defeat health reform by any means necessary. Which is it, Mr. Grassley ("Yea," 2003)?
    I loved this:
    or they're lying
    It does come easy to the party of personal responsibility and morality to lie so craven and shamelessly. So, anyone want to guess how long it takes before a (R) stands up and takes some personal responsibility? We know Caribous Barbie continues with this charade, even though she herself is a lying hypocrite.

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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    False ‘Death Panel’ Rumor Has Some Familiar Roots

    WASHINGTON — The stubborn yet false rumor that President Obama’s health care proposals would create government-sponsored “death panels” to decide which patients were worthy of living seemed to arise from nowhere in recent weeks.

    Advanced even this week by Republican stalwarts including the party’s last vice-presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, and Charles E. Grassley, the veteran Iowa senator, the nature of the assertion nonetheless seemed reminiscent of the modern-day viral Internet campaigns that dogged Mr. Obama last year, falsely calling him a Muslim and questioning his nationality.
    Rather, it has a far more mainstream provenance, openly emanating months ago from many of the same pundits and conservative media outlets that were central in defeating President Bill Clinton’s health care proposals 16 years ago, including the editorial board of The Washington Times, the American Spectator magazine and Betsy McCaughey, whose 1994 health care critique made her a star of the conservative movement (and ultimately, New York’s lieutenant governor).
    There is nothing in any of the legislative proposals that would call for the creation of death panels or any other governmental body that would cut off care for the critically ill as a cost-cutting measure. But over the course of the past few months, early, stated fears from anti-abortion conservatives that Mr. Obama would pursue a pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia agenda, combined with twisted accounts of actual legislative proposals that would provide financing for optional consultations with doctors about hospice care and other “end of life” services, fed the rumor to the point where it overcame the debate.
    Ms. McCaughey, whose 1994 critique of Mr. Clinton’s plan was hotly disputed after its publication in The New Republic, weighed in around the same time.

    She warned that a provision in the stimulus bill would create a bureaucracy to “monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost-effective,” was carried in a commentary she wrote for Bloomberg News that gained resonance throughout the conservative media, most notably with Rush Limbaugh and the Fox News Channel host Glenn Beck.
    The party of dishonesty, hypocrisy, and lies, a party reliant almost solely on the stupidity and ignorance of a base easily swayed by the most childish of propaganda. I wonder, was there not in history another famous propogandizer that used the same tactics? Joe Goeb...something, can't seem to remember his name, but I do remember the shameless tactics used to play on the stupidity of a nation. Kudos (R)epugnants, kudos for being such craven losers. Judas sold his soul for a few silver pieces, nice to see the Rent-A-(R)epugnants at least ask for more from lobbyists.

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