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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Te end of life counseling is NOT the death panel referred to. I don't know were the heck THAT came from.. Someone fumbled thinking counseling was the DP Sarah referred to. So as usual Congress got it WRONG, jumped the gun and fell on their face. I hope no one here is surprised!

    The death panel is the panel that will be making the decision to provide service or not depending on age and ability to contribute to society.

    They can (and will) NOT take that provision out as long as they intend to manage our healthcare. If they did, it would simply be left open for future incorporation as it will most assuredly require....

    ....are you listening "flag" ?? Contrary to your belief we are NOT idiots and WE can do the math you can't seem to manage!

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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    Te end of life counseling is NOT the death panel referred to. I don't know were the heck THAT came from.. Someone fumbled thinking counseling was the DP Sarah referred to. So as usual Congress got it WRONG, jumped the gun and fell on their face. I hope no one here is surprised!

    The death panel is the panel that will be making the decision to provide service or not depending on age and ability to contribute to society.

    They can (and will) NOT take that provision out as long as they intend to manage our healthcare. If they did, it would simply be left open for future incorporation as it will most assuredly require....

    ....are you listening "flag" ?? Contrary to your belief we are NOT idiots and WE can do the math you can't seem to manage!
    Care to support this accusation? No one has actually been able to show where in the bill these panels are.

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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Then why exactly are you against it? Do people who have no insurance for whatever reason, do not deserve to have access to councilling and help if they are terminal?

    Let me guess.. you are one of those that would rather keep people alive as long as possible for any and all costs.. right?
    Interesting you would say that.

    My coworker and I were discussing this very issue. You see, her grandson died about 3 years ago from an inoperabable brain tumor. The surgeons and professional medical personnel who, according to my coworker, originally gave her grandson 6 weeks to live decided to place him on experimental treatments that included radiation treatments and a host of other medications, etc., etc. He lived for another 6 months. But here's the interesting part according to my coworker...

    Once her daughter (the mother of the child) decided to end the treatments, it took exactly 6-weeks before her child died...the same 6-week period the doctors gave the child in the first place. So, what's the point here?

    All the treatments and radiation this 6 year old boy received didn't change the enivitable. He still died within the very 6-weeks period originally prescribed. So, I ask the same question my coworker - the child's grandmother - asked: "Who was that additional 6-months for?" The child? According to my coworker, the boy suffered throughout the treatment period. His parents? Yes, they had their child with them among the living for 6 more months, but according to them (I spoke with them periodically when they'd visit my place of employment) and my coworker, the child wasn't the same bright and loveable boy they knew. He was alwasy heavily medicated and weak, and his personality changed so dramatically. Was it for the hospital and/or the insurance company who I'm sure made alot of money for the extended period this child lived. Who truly benefited?

    I'm not saying pull the plug on every individual who is in an end-of-life situation, but I am saying get a second, outside opinion to ensure you're making a well-informed, non-bias opinion as to how to best handle the situation once you take your emotions out of the equation, if at all possible.

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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And offering to pay for the counseling to set her desires on paper so they can be respected is wrong how?
    Why should I pay for her desires to be put on paper, let her or her family pay for it.
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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I think we should euthanize several people....
    Yeah, but not before couseling.
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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This isn't a provision that provides for end of life counceling for those who want it. It mandates end of life counceling, want it, or not. If you'll notice in the bill, it specifically states that the secretary will issue and order to, "sustain life", should he deem it neccessary. It says that, read it.

    Why should there be a special provision for something that already exists, if in fact what you're saying is true and why is there only a provision for end of life care and nothing else?

    I don't think I should have the government digging in my pocket book to pay for nothing else but a giant entitlement program. The only people that are going to benefit from this bill are the Welfare Class. The rest of us are going to have to dig deep into our pockets to pay for it.
    I've been reading the HCR bill whenever I have the time (or my wife isn't nagging me to spend more time with her. ) I have yet to come to that portion where this issue is addressed and read it for myself (althought it has been quoted to me a few times), but I assure you I'll get to it this afternoon. Nonetheless, as you've pointed out, as well as myself, some people don't have that luxury to sit down w/a third party and discuss the circumstances surround the end-of-life care for either themselves or on behalf of their loved ones. Obviously, this has been identified as a problem in this country and needs to be addressed. Some people apparently feel as thought their loved one didn't receive the right care (or enough thereof) before that loved one died. Others feel it's a personal matter and discussions should be limited to family members and their doctors. I say if you can't afford to have that 2nd opinion or atleast have an outside party review the treatments outlined for the care and well-being of your loved one, then somebody needs to make that option available and affordable.

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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why should I pay for her desires to be put on paper, let her or her family pay for it.
    You have actually made a good point here, and it's an honest one too. Bravo! I agree with you.
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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I say if you can't afford to have that 2nd opinion or atleast have an outside party review the treatments outlined for the care and well-being of your loved one, then somebody needs to make that option available and affordable.
    Why? Why is it anybody's duty to make that either available or affordable?

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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why should I pay for her desires to be put on paper, let her or her family pay for it.
    I agree with Dana....well put.

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    Re: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

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    So all us rightwingers were full of ****? We didn't understand the truth?
    link not working. Here: Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill - Yahoo! News

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