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    Re: Finance Committee to drop end-of-life provision

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who is the, "secretary"? What's the need for a secretary? What does the secretary have to do with doctors doing end of life counceling?
    Yes, a secretary is so ominous. Must be an evil plot.

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    Re: Finance Committee to drop end-of-life provision

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The evil "secretary" would be who ever the under-Secretary of Health and Human Services is at the time that is over Medicare along with the board of trustees. All this is stating is that the Secretary is to ensure along with state agencies and senior agencies that any consultation is within the boundaries of the state laws the physician practices in. Basically its just saying that it is the responsibility of Medicare when reimbursing this physician for this consultation to make sure that nothing is being told to the patient that violates state law. Ohhhhhhh the Horrors of that...
    Hey dude, you lost, give it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not by name, no, but that is what this type of counseling is used for.
    So, then, since it's not mentioned, "by name", it doesn't exist in the bill.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Finance Committee to drop end-of-life provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes, a secretary is so ominous. Must be an evil plot.
    All ya'll can come up with is smartass answers to my posts. Right? Speaks volumes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Finance Committee to drop end-of-life provision

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hey dude, you lost, give it up.
    I understand that, reason and knowledge will always lose in a debate to willful ignorance and absurd beliefs. Reason will never win over someone that did arrive at their beliefs through reason.

    Believe what you wish to believe, let me nor the text of the actual bill, nor reality get in the way of it.
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    Re: Finance Committee to drop end-of-life provision

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hey dude, you lost, give it up.
    How is explaining in clear language what the bill contains losing, when the best you have come up with is the bill mentions a secretary?

    So, then, since it's not mentioned, "by name", it doesn't exist in the bill.
    And yet it is described pretty much exactly in the bill...

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    Re: Finance Committee to drop end-of-life provision

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I understand that, reason and knowledge will always lose in a debate to willful ignorance and absurd beliefs. Reason will never win over someone that did arrive at their beliefs through reason.

    Believe what you wish to believe, let me nor the text of the actual bill, nor reality get in the way of it.
    Someone owes you $100.

    Great job. You've got a lot more patience than I.

    abpst, are you going to pay up or what?

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    Re: Finance Committee to drop end-of-life provision

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Which sources, using actual language in the bill, have exposed Palin as a liar. I await your response with baited breath.
    I've posted them here in other threads...others have as well. The problem is, you are so in love with Palin that you fail to even recognize her pathetic propoganda even when it is placed right under your nose. But I'd expect nothing less.
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    Re: Finance Committee to drop end-of-life provision

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I understand that, reason and knowledge will always lose in a debate to willful ignorance and absurd beliefs. Reason will never win over someone that did arrive at their beliefs through reason.

    Believe what you wish to believe, let me nor the text of the actual bill, nor reality get in the way of it.
    Well, if I'm so ignorant, then educate me. Surely it should be easier than that for you, since you're smarter than I am.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Finance Committee to drop end-of-life provision

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I've posted them here in other threads...others have as well. The problem is, you are so in love with Palin that you fail to even recognize her pathetic propoganda even when it is placed right under your nose. But I'd expect nothing less.
    You ain't posted nothin'.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Finance Committee to drop end-of-life provision

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, if I'm so ignorant, then educate me.
    Ok. Rub the magic lamp, and suck on this lollipop and you will finally have your education.

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    Sarah Palin, the former governor of Alaska, urged her supporters to oppose Democratic plans for health care reform on her Facebook page.

    "As more Americans delve into the disturbing details of the nationalized health care plan that the current administration is rushing through Congress, our collective jaw is dropping, and we’re saying not just no, but hell no!" wrote Palin in a note posted Aug. 7, 2009.

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    Palin's claim sounds a little like another statement making the rounds, which says that health care reform would mandate counseling for seniors on how to end their lives sooner. We rated this claim Pants on Fire! The truth is that the health bill allows Medicare, for the first time, to pay for doctors' appointments for patients to discuss living wills and other end-of-life issues with their physicians. These types of appointments are completely optional, and AARP supports the measure.

    Palin also may have also jumped to conclusions about the Obama administration's efforts to promote comparative effectiveness research. Such research has nothing to do with evaluating patients for "worthiness." Rather, comparative effectiveness research finds out which treatments work better than others.
    I (we) accept your most humble apologies. I know, Palin's a looker and it's hard to actually listen to what she's saying when you're trying to picture her naked. But, trust me, I've listened and she's not that bright and really shouldn't be running her mouth about things too complicated for her to understand.

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