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French pool bans 'burkini' swim

Gardener said:
You want those things banned?

Whatever would the poor thing do for buoyancy?
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LMFAO

Just as an aside because it reminded me.... When I was doing my 15 minute tread/float for my divemaster cert, I was just laying on the water fully relaxed. The other (male) divemaster candidate had to tread and tread the whole time because he couldn't float. He asked me like halfway through, "How in the HELL do you float like that??"

I told him I had two flotation devices attached to my chest. :mrgreen:


we now return you to our regularly scheduled program.
 
mixedmedia said:
i think yamulkes are stupid. I think pentecostal pre-teens running around in long skirts and hair down to their ass is stupid. and I think hijabs are stupid.

what's more, I think this is stupid:

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where can I go to have these things banned?
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All those outfits are banned in my bed:)
 
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Oh whilst France is at it can heels, tight jeans, make up, any form of sexualisation of women also be banned?

I think it oppresses women by forcing them to conform to society and men's ogling .... thats right, i said it.

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bub said:
lol you're right, it's quite paradoxical to advocate freedom by banning something

But what? We both know that in many cases, they are obliged to wear these things. So
- if there is no ban, those who are forced to wear burqas, burkinis...keep on wearing them, which is a bad thing
- if there is a ban, those who were forced to wear them are "free", which is a good thing, but those who had freely chosen to wear them are "humiliated", which is a bad thing
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Here's my philosophy: When in doubt, do nothing. Sometimes, doing something only makes it worse.

I only wish governments operated like that.
 
kaya'08 said:
The interpretation its self is opressive against women and is counter to western law, and its against our interests as a progressive society to allow such things. If they are not forced, great, but they are, by an absolute majority, brainwashed and forced by there male dominants.

PS: Who the hell are you on about in specific?



This law liberates such women, your getting confused.



And the whole of France.
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The law liberates women by telling them what they can wear?:shock: Thats a little orweallian. Why dont they give us all a uniform so we can feel more liberated?
 
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Laila said:
Oh whilst France is at it can heels, tight jeans, make up, any form of sexualisation of women also be banned?

I think it oppresses women by forcing them to conform to society and men's ogling .... thats right, i said it.

:mrgreen:
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That's kind of my point. Tongue in cheek, yes, but rooted in truth.

Unless, of course, someone wants to convince me that all that make-up, cleavage and poverty of clothing is a choice she has made for her comfort and convenience and not to satisfy the principles of the patriarchal society she lives in. heh, heh.

But watch out! There's a fine line between female empowerment and 'feminazism,' don't you know. :)
 
Jerry said:
Public pool, public rules.

If she doesn't like it she can swim at her house.
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But the public rules have to be based on something. Private, you can make up whatever damned rules you want. Public not so much. This is nothing more than a xenophobic attack by the French government against a targeted group within their own populace. Things like that are not proper public rules. The government cannot make up any ol' rule it wants, it must abide by the rights and liberties of the individual.
 
bub said:
People in traditional (euphemism for "backwarded ultraconservative people") families don't have choices, especially women. They dress the way they are told, they do what they are told, they marry the husband they are told.

When they don't, they're killed.


They don't really have a private life, they live for the community. The main goal of their life is to have kids and transmit the tradition.


I'm not blaming the muslims only, such things have existed in Europe until a few generations ago
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They are adults, they can make up their own mind. They are adults in France which is supposedly free (though obviously not). If they want to wear a swimsuit with a hood, that's their perogative. It's not rightfully up to you or the government to tell someone "no". There is no sign of oppression here, that's bigotry and nothing less. There is no sanitation concern, that's bull**** made up to justify the attack.

Let people live their lives as they see fit. They are not hurting anyone. Obviously in countries where the religion can be endorse through the government, you can get very bad results. But France isn't one of those countries, these women are free to choose for themselves and that's their choice. For ****s sake, people need to keep their noses out of other people's business.
 
Apocalypse said:
Not when they were brainwashed since they came to the world.
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Well then, let's get rid of all religion. Because it all does that to some extent. Talking about imaginary, magical sky beings which protect us and will ultimately allow us to go to the happy happy place when we die if we did what the magical sky beings told us to do on earth. ****, I've seen Jesus Camp, those little kids; it was sick. Can we ban that? No more Bible Camps in the United States? I mean, they're being brainwashed right?
 
The Italian press is reporting a similar story today. A young Muslim woman in Verona showed up at a swimming pool in one of these "burkini" suits and created quite a stir. Moms complained that she was freaking out their children. :lol:
Anyway, the pool supervisor asked her to let him know what exactly the suit was made of before he made any decisions on whether to allow it or not. This is the way the French pool should have handled things.
 
Ikari said:
Well then, let's get rid of all religion. Because it all does that to some extent. Talking about imaginary, magical sky beings which protect us and will ultimately allow us to go to the happy happy place when we die if we did what the magical sky beings told us to do on earth. ****, I've seen Jesus Camp, those little kids; it was sick. Can we ban that? No more Bible Camps in the United States? I mean, they're being brainwashed right?
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Go ahead, I'm right behind ya. ;)
 
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Hmmm...now where have I seen this costume before...


...Oh, that's right!








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:p She just needs the sword and shield!
 
Arcana XV said:
The Italian press is reporting a similar story today. A young Muslim woman in Verona showed up at a swimming pool in one of these "burkini" suits and created quite a stir. Moms complained that she was freaking out their children. :lol:
Anyway, the pool supervisor asked her to let him know what exactly the suit was made of before he made any decisions on whether to allow it or not. This is the way the French pool should have handled things.
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I agree. I'm also wondering where all those people are who defend/promote nude beaches? Does the woman in the Burkini not warrant her freedom of expression?



I cannot imagine a woman in a Burkini would freak kids out any more than this guy would:

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Arcana XV said:
The Italian press is reporting a similar story today. A young Muslim woman in Verona showed up at a swimming pool in one of these "burkini" suits and created quite a stir. Moms complained that she was freaking out their children. :lol:
Anyway, the pool supervisor asked her to let him know what exactly the suit was made of before he made any decisions on whether to allow it or not. This is the way the French pool should have handled things.
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They've banned it today

The argument of the mayor is that tolerance should not always be one-sided: if a Western woman goes to Saudi Arabia in a bikini, she's gonne be stoned or beheaded. If the burkini-woman dislikes that, she can go bath in her bathroom.
 
bub said:
They've banned it today

The argument of the mayor is that tolerance should not always be one-sided: if a Western woman goes to Saudi Arabia in a bikini, she's gonne be stoned or beheaded. If the burkini-woman dislikes that, she can go bath in her bathroom.
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So tyranny should be met with tyranny? Nice. "Well so and so does X, so I'm gonna do X". How stupid. So a dumb ass country has dumb ass laws, does that mean we have to have dumb ass laws? How the **** does that help anything? If the goal is freedom, you cannot make treasonous laws, especially xenophobic laws which target a specific subsector of your population. WTF is that about?

Seriously, did the mayor think about what he said there? Claiming that because they do something horrific in some other country that they should do something idiotic and against the rights of the individual in their own country is not reasonable or logical in the least.
 
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bub said:
They've banned it today

The argument of the mayor is that tolerance should not always be one-sided: if a Western woman goes to Saudi Arabia in a bikini, she's gonne be stoned or beheaded. If the burkini-woman dislikes that, she can go bath in her bathroom.
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Not the same case. The one I was referring to was in Veneto, this one is in Piemonte. I'm not surprised that guy would ban it and even threaten to fine people 500 euros if they don't comply. What else do you expect from the retards at Lega Nord? For those not familiar with Italian politics, they're more or less the equivalent of the British BNP.
 
Ikari said:
So tyranny should be met with tyranny? Nice. "Well so and so does X, so I'm gonna do X". How stupid. So a dumb ass country has dumb ass laws, does that mean we have to have dumb ass laws? How the **** does that help anything? If the goal is freedom, you cannot make treasonous laws, especially xenophobic laws which target a specific subsector of your population. WTF is that about?

Seriously, did the mayor think about what he said there? Claiming that because they do something horrific in some other country that they should do something idiotic and against the rights of the individual in their own country is not reasonable or logical in the least.
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Well the argument is not so bad: there is no reciprocity, so why should we allow something here that would not be tolerated in their country?
As long as he's not talking about jailing them or deporting them for that, it's ok.

We don't have to tolerate all their customs for the sake of freedom. A limit has to be placed: we forbid polygamy and honor crimes, why not the burkini? If we are not clear enough with these limits, then they start imposing their own customs. For example, most of the schools in Brussels serve Halal food only, which is a scandal. If we take the example of swimming pools, the ones in Brussels are "for women only" every saturday morning! And if you're a women, don't even think about wearing a miniskirt in certain districts of Brussels, you'd be insulted or assaulted.

I think that when our values are not compatible with theirs, ours should have the priority. They are immigrants, they have to adapt, they're not in their country. When you go to your neighbor house and that he doesn't smoke, you don't smoke neither. It's the same at the scale of countries: if people here are shocked by polygamy, people walking naked in the streets or wearing a Burqa, then they have to obey or go back to their country if they don't like that.
 
That's just silly right there. Freedom and liberty are everything, to strive for these is the goal of all freemen. Now you want to say that other places don't respect our cultures, and thus when they're here we don't have to respect theirs...I think that's dumb. Certainly there are degrees of inclusion and melding into our cultures so we keep ours but include others (France, BTW, definitely doesn't do this, they purposefully discriminate against their Muslim people and exclude them from their own culture). There are certainly some customs from other places which infringe upon the rights of people and we can't allow those. Fine, there are reasonable things to do. The "burkini" isn't one of them.

We live in the Western nations, we're the most advanced. People who grow up in our cultures and countries have everything they need to make informed decisions for themselves. It's not the Middle East where theocracy reigns and people are forced through government law to obey the "religion". Here people are free, they live their religions and understand them and express them and that's perfectly fine. The burkini isn't a sign of oppression or whatever you want to claim it is, someone made the choice to wear it. It's a swimming suit with a hood. We're not talking about stoning a girl to death for having been raped. We're talking about a swimming suit with a hood on it. There's nothing wrong with wearing it, if people want to make the decision to wear it than more power to them. Who am I to say no? Maybe in your country y'all have different ideals, but in my country religion is a right as is expression of it. I won't endorse xenophobic laws which act counter to freedom and liberty.
 
Assimilation does not mean the root culture goes unchanged - it always calls for a blending of cultures and a mutual tolerance.

If we were talking about wearing actual burqas to public schools or for driver's license photos, that is one thing. We're not even talking about burqas, for chrissakes, like ikari says: 'it's a bathing suit with a hood on it.'

The passage of this law is a farce and only serves to make the community look foolish.
 
The "no reciprocity" argument is rather silly and petty. The majority of Muslim countries DO allow western style clothing and swimwear on their beaches.
 
Arcana XV said:
The "no reciprocity" argument is rather silly and petty. The majority of Muslim countries DO allow western style clothing and swimwear on their beaches.
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Many in Brussels don't
 
Ikari said:
We live in the Western nations, we're the most advanced. People who grow up in our cultures and countries have everything they need to make informed decisions for themselves. It's not the Middle East where theocracy reigns and people are forced through government law to obey the "religion". Here people are free, they live their religions and understand them and express them and that's perfectly fine.
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The problem is when people import their theocracy in our countries. I'm serious, most people here are atheists and very liberal, and tensions are expectable when people who think like our great-grand-parents settle here.


The burkini isn't a sign of oppression or whatever you want to claim it is, someone made the choice to wear it.
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You're kidding? It's the visible symbol of the ultra-conservatism of some people. Banning it won't solve the root of the problem, but at least it shows them that traditional-very conservative people are not welcome.


Who am I to say no? Maybe in your country y'all have different ideals, but in my country religion is a right as is expression of it.
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In my country religion is a private matter and we consider that you should not wear external signs of faith. We've removed the crosses from our schools and courts, we can expect newcomers not to do the contrary. A swimming pool is a public place, religion has nothing to do there.
 
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