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French pool bans 'burkini' swim

Korimyr the Rat said:
That was a perfectly legitimate swimsuit she was wearing. Unless you insist that your guests swim entirely in the nude, I think you are overreaching. And if you think that public swimming pools should only permit swimming in the nude, I don't think I want you making my laws.
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And that aint the issue. The pool she was in had a rule set on what can and can not be worn in the pool and this was due to health issues. She did not follow these rules and was barred.. end of story.

She is free to go to the beach or other pools that do not have these rules, but noooo she has to make another "Islam under attack" bs claims in France and get her 15 min of fame in the US.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
That was a perfectly legitimate swimsuit she was wearing. Unless you insist that your guests swim entirely in the nude, I think you are overreaching. And if you think that public swimming pools should only permit swimming in the nude, I don't think I want you making my laws.
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First of all, by saying "my pool" I did not mean that I own a pool.
It's like saying "my gym" or "my cellphone company".
In the pool I'm attending, getting into the pool with your clothes on is illegal out of health concerns and hygiene.
That was just to clear things up.

In regard to the alleged swimsuit, it looks like something you'd wear during a trip to the center of Antarctica, and not something you swim with.
I don't think I want you making my laws
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How could I possibly be making your laws?
You're overreacting.
 
kaya'08 said:
Actually its not part of being Muslim. It has nothing to do with Islam, its just a public sign of oppression that they must cover up there bodies because there family wants such things. Im glad the French are banning it.
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You cannot judge if it is oppression Kaya. Neither can i.
It is a choice and i'd prefer no state gets in such a business of telling me what is/is not right tbh.

In this case, rules is a acceptable ground.
 
When I hear of such things, I can't help but think of France's colonisation period of Algeria and the old film or photo archives showing French women wearing bikinis on Algerian beaches and walking arund in their western-style clothes which looked very provocative to the eyes of Muslim Algerians.

I think that France should have respected the Muslim traditions in Algeria then and Muslims living in France should respect the French way of being now.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
You mean, besides the requirement that people shower first?

It'll keep huge masses of possibly dirty cloth out of the water.

Naked...the only correct way to swim.
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There is enough clorine in a pool to mitigate hygiene issues.
 
Arcana XV said:
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I really don't see what the problem is. :confused:
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Oh my freakin Gawd... her ankles are showing!!!!

**covers eyes**
 
It used to be that men cut the legs off a pair of pants and called it a swim suit.

The threads would come off into the pool and break the filter system.
 
Laila said:
You cannot judge if it is oppression Kaya. Neither can i.
It is a choice and i'd prefer no state gets in such a business of telling me what is/is not right tbh.

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In the early to middle part of the 19th century in this country, much discussion centered around the notion of one person owning another. It was not at all uncommon for those who were owned to express support for such an arrangement, especially if they worked inside the house rather than in the field. Others who supported the notion of one person owning another then took these sorts of opinons as proof that such slavery was perfectly justified. After all, they could find some slaves who expressed the opinion that it was their CHOICE to be slaves.


Of course, this did not mean they were any less owned than if they complained.
 
Gardener said:
Of course, this did not mean they were any less owned than if they complained.
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Are you comparing clothing to slavery or did i miss the point?
 
Gardener said:
the belly button rings?
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I'd rather people cover up in this society rather than uncover tyvm

I don't think i am more in pain than when i see really old or really fat people walking around the streets with tops off :/

But hey, that is their choice.
 
The outfit is not clothing. It's swimwear. This sounds like any other swimwear on the market:

Ahiida® Burqini®™ Swimsuits are made in Australia with
quality high performance innovative fabrics.

All of our Swimwear are:


100% Polyester

50+ UV protected

Chlorine Resistant

Water repellent

Have Low Water Absorbency and are very very quick drying.

I don't see the issue other than the French making a statement about the burqa. The French prefer their women half naked. Tell me again, who is oppressing who?

In addition to being great for the modest, this suit would work well for anyone who is sensitive to sun, especially those with a history of skin cancer.
 
Laila said:
Are you comparing clothing to slavery or did i miss the point?
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The point had to do with oppression, and the opinions expressed by those who are oppressed.
 
StandUpChuck said:
The outfit is not clothing. It's swimwear. This sounds like any other swimwear on the market:

Ahiida® Burqini®™ Swimsuits are made in Australia with
quality high performance innovative fabrics.

All of our Swimwear are:


100% Polyester

50+ UV protected

Chlorine Resistant

Water repellent

Have Low Water Absorbency and are very very quick drying.

I don't see the issue other than the French making a statement about the burqa. The French prefer their women half naked. Tell me again, who is oppressing who?

In addition to being great for the modest, this suit would work well for anyone who is sensitive to sun, especially those with a history of skin cancer.
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It's not clothing? :confused:
 
Gardener said:
The point had to do with oppression, and the opinions expressed by those who are oppressed.
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I think it is highly amusing people who have most likely never worn one before seek to cast judgement of the minds of other women.

Is it so hard to accept that some wear it out of choice?
Inside the West Muslim women have much more liberty than Muslim countries.
Inside some Muslim countries there is no choice but to wear it so it can be oppression, but can the same be said for the West? No.

It is not a religious obligation. There is not one word in the Qu'ran or hadiths that mention niqab or burka it is a cultural inheritence that pre dates Islam but if some wish to take 'dressing modestly' to mean the covering of the face. Then not my problem and fair play to them, just take it off when in certain buildings.

Government and State needs to stop getting involved in such matters.
 
Welcome to Dubai

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I keep bringing up this point in similar threads, but banning these garments from public places is not going to make these women stop wearing them. They'll simply avoid going to those places and stay home. Maybe that's what these stupid rules are after, eh? Out of sight and out of mind?

The young woman in the in the OP, a French native who freely converted and chooses to wear these outfits, made it clear that she would rather leave her own country than be forced to dress in ways she disaproves of.

I can't believe the irony of forcing women to wear certain clothes to free them from being forced to wear certain clothes. How stupid can a concept get?
 
Mira said:
Welcome to Dubai

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Indeed.
When i go to muslim countries i wear tight jeans, tops, short skirts

And women didn't mind (Well they looked ... alot)
The country didn't arrest me or stop me wearing what i wished.
 
I dress the same in foreign countries as I dress in the US--including Muslim areas. I wear skirts and tops that are easy to wash. I don't wear a veil. I wear a shawl sometimes if its cool.

I wear pants for climbing and hiking.
 
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Arcana XV said:
I can't believe the irony of forcing women to wear certain clothes to free them from being forced to wear certain clothes. How stupid can a concept get?
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Indeed.
Banning is not freedom.
It is the entire opposite.
 
Laila said:
I think it is highly amusing people who have most likely never worn one before seek to cast judgement of the minds of other women.
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I need to change myself into a woman and then wear a burqa before I am qualified to post an illustration of a concept from U.S. history? You certainly do set the bar high, don't you.


Laila said:
Is it so hard to accept that some wear it out of choice?
Inside the West Muslim women have much more liberty than Muslim countries.
Inside some Muslim countries there is no choice but to wear it so it can be oppression, but can the same be said for the West? No.
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Lost in all this conversation is the fact that this women is a recent CONVERT to Islam, and so yes, obviously her adoption of such a garment is by choice. It was certainly her choice to make this very aggressive, in-your-face symbolic gesture.

As for women who were actually rasied Muslim, the fact that they now live in the west is less important than the social networks that surround them. If they do not speak French, live in a ghettoized situation and are surrounded by compatriots almost exclusively, then French law or customs do not enter into their day to day decision making. In fact, the very act of wearing the Burqa (or niqab) is indication that they ARE NOT connected to French society. As such, whatever pressures that are being applied to them to wear such garments need to be taken into consideration.


Laila said:
It is not a religious obligation.
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You should try telling this to the woman in question who is using the wearing of a burkini as a political weapon.

Laila said:
Government and State needs to stop getting involved in such matters.
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Systematic oppression is one matter in which any liberal, western democracy SHOULD be involved. Telling this overzealous convert she cannot wear something may not be the best approach, but until such a time arises that women from Islamic countries achieve true parity, the struggle will continue.
 
Gardener said:
Lost in all this conversation is the fact that this women is a recent CONVERT to Islam, and so yes, Telling this overzealous convert she cannot wear something may not be the best approach, but until such a time arises that women from Islamic countries achieve true parity, the struggle will continue.
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So what are you saying? She's not a real enough Muslim for you? The gov't gets to make that distinction about someone's faith?
 
France has always had a limited commitment to free expression. Yes, France is a democracy, but without some of the commitment to essential human liberties.

Stupidity.

What will this accomplish, except to further alienate and enrage the already alienated and enraged? Far better would be to shut down the schools that are teaching hate to school children. This is a superficial response, at best. The only way to integrate these immigrants is through education and support.
 
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