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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The government can work to improve things in other ways, such as requiring recent immigrants to take language and culture classes, and requiring them to educate their children in public schools. Immigrants can be required to do all sorts of things in order to immigrate, and if France wants to maintain a national identity, they should focus on teaching immigrants to be French, rather than trying to dictate clothing choices.

    That's a whole 'nother can of worms, I think. ;-)


    I don't disagree with you, nor do I fully agree. To be honest, I don't know what they best answer would be. We here in Canada have a high number of immigrants, and it's a hot topic. From what I understand, it's always difficult for first generations to meld with the different culture/society. However, it does get easier for the later generations.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Education would work better than 'ban ---'

    I fully agree.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I need to change myself into a woman and then wear a burqa before I am qualified to post an illustration of a concept from U.S. history? You certainly do set the bar high, don't you.




    Lost in all this conversation is the fact that this women is a recent CONVERT to Islam, and so yes, obviously her adoption of such a garment is by choice. It was certainly her choice to make this very aggressive, in-your-face symbolic gesture.

    As for women who were actually rasied Muslim, the fact that they now live in the west is less important than the social networks that surround them. If they do not speak French, live in a ghettoized situation and are surrounded by compatriots almost exclusively, then French law or customs do not enter into their day to day decision making. In fact, the very act of wearing the Burqa (or niqab) is indication that they ARE NOT connected to French society. As such, whatever pressures that are being applied to them to wear such garments need to be taken into consideration.




    You should try telling this to the woman in question who is using the wearing of a burkini as a political weapon.



    Systematic oppression is one matter in which any liberal, western democracy SHOULD be involved. Telling this overzealous convert she cannot wear something may not be the best approach, but until such a time arises that women from Islamic countries achieve true parity, the struggle will continue.
    Wait a second, let's not get carried away. It is France who placed the immigrant families in ghetos, it is not a choice to live in a ghetto. Actually the dream of every immigrant is to get the hell out of the horrible ghettos.

    Is there a rise of radical Islamic movements in France and elsewhere ? yes

    Does the isolation of the immigrants in ghettos worsen the situation? yes

    There are also Muslims that are perfectly well assimilated in the French society and have key positions in business, arts, sports and the government.

    I live only walking distance from Barbs in Paris where the population is in large majority Muslim. When the riots took place in the suburbs, the Muslim population here carried on with their lives as usual. Not one single sign of riot and violence. Why ? because they live in normal and well proportioned buildings in real neighbourhoods and not in the ghettos that you see in the suburbs.
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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    So what are you saying? She's not a real enough Muslim for you? The gov't gets to make that distinction about someone's faith?
    I'm saying that hers is a very calculated move that has everything to do with making an aggressive political statement and little to do with faith.
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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I'm saying that hers is a very calculated move that has everything to do with making an aggressive political statement and little to do with faith.
    How do you know she just didn't want to go swimming?
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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    It is my opinion that a state should have the right to preserve its culture.
    There are about 5 million Muslims living in France today.
    When I decide to go to France, I do so because I want to feel the French culture. This culture is being endangered by the raising amount of immigrants, immigrants that bring their cultures with them from home, and do not blend into the French society.
    Same could be said about many Western-Europe nations today.
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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I'm saying that hers is a very calculated move that has everything to do with making an aggressive political statement and little to do with faith.
    I doubt that. There are Muslims all over Europe, not just in France, that wear full body suits when going swimming. I think it was the swimming pool that wanted to make the statement.

    France is racist as hell. I know because I"ve been there.

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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I doubt that. There are Muslims all over Europe, not just in France, that wear full body suits when going swimming. I think it was the swimming pool that wanted to make the statement.

    France is racist as hell. I know because I"ve been there.
    French are, socially, xenophobic people.
    I wouldn't use the term 'racist', racism is a strong word, but it seems that this word has lost a lot of its value when every second person is using it twice a day.
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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    How do you know she just didn't want to go swimming?
    Being French born, had she simply wanted to go swimming she would have certainly done so the way she had always done.

    It is the fact that she CHANGED her behavior that makes it so obvious that hers is a political statement.
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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    It is my opinion that a state should have the right to preserve its culture.
    There are about 5 million Muslims living in France today.
    When I decide to go to France, I do so because I want to feel the French culture. This culture is being endangered by the raising amount of immigrants, immigrants that bring their cultures with them from home, and do not blend into the French society.
    Same could be said about many Western-Europe nations today.
    So does that mean you would be in favor of English as the national language of the US?
    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    You guys are weird.

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