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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    And the French idiots that approved this stupid law anyways.
    There is no law banning the Burka or Burkini.

    French Muslim convert threatens legal action over 'burkini' ban | World news | guardian.co.uk
    The local authorities in Emerainville said the case had nothing to do with Islam, but regulations stated that garments bigger than standard swimsuits, including men's board-shorts, could not be worn in pools for hygiene reasons.
    This has nothing to do with any ban on burkas (which there is not) but is a health issue.

    This woman is the one that is brining the supposed "ban" which does not exist into the picture and using her "religion" as another lightning rod in a society that is secular. If she wants to live under Islamic law, move to an Islamic country and suffer the consequence.

    This is no different than a public pool in the US banning topless women or any other sort of "clothing".. like say wearing shoes in the pool.
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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Perhaps if you were "liberated" by being forced not to wear any clothes at all, you would be less of a backward thinker.
    Sit there and tell me you wouldn't mind your bits and bots hanging about and swinging on a daily bases, and tell me you wouldn't mind the same for other people in public. Except for tree huggers, i think pretty much everybody would agree that banning of public nudity has nothing to do with being backwards, but protecting ones sanity.
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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    This has nothing to do with any ban on burkas (which there is not) but is a health issue.
    I think we were talking about this part:

    In June the French National Assembly appointed 32 MPs to a six-month fact-finding mission to look at ways of restricting burka use.

    In a major policy speech that month, President Nicolas Sarkozy said the burka - a garment covering women from head to toe - reduced them to servitude and undermined their dignity.

    "We cannot accept to have in our country women who are prisoners behind netting, cut off from all social life, deprived of identity," Mr Sarkozy told a special session of parliament in Versailles.

    In 2004, France banned the Islamic headscarves in its state schools.
    I was replying to Kaya and Kormyr's declaration of support for banning burkas.

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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Sit there and tell me you wouldn't mind your bits and bots hanging about and swinging on a daily bases, and tell me you wouldn't mind the same for other people in public. Except for tree huggers, i think pretty much everybody would agree that banning of public nudity has nothing to do with being backwards, but protecting ones sanity.
    I wouldn't mind really. It would only garner me some well earned respect for my overpowering manliness.

    You missed the point however, which was that if those tree huggers thought that all clothes were oppressive, and had enough guns and manpower, they could "liberate" you by forcing you to go around naked.

    Of course, since you have been "brainwashed" by our society, instead of feeling liberated, you would feel naked and exposed, and would wish you could wear the clothes that you prefer.

    But given time, you may come to appreciate being freed from our societies oppressive expectation to cover your natural self, and then you would obviously hail the tree-huggers as your heroes and liberators, for forcing you to be free from the constraints of social modesty.

    Or maybe they would just be oppressive scumbags for forcing you to go around naked, when you would rather wear clothes.

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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    When those women are forced to wear Burka's in the first place, i think a law forbidding them will help liberate them from those traps, yes.
    Nope. If a woman is stupid enough to obey a religion that demands she hide from public by wearing a tent, then it's up to her to discard the tent. She has legal recourse to get her husband or anyone else arrested who uses or threatens physical violence against her for not becoming a walking camping ground, but that's that.

    The paranoids in France have banned the wearing of religious jewelry in public schools, too.


    However, wearing clothes while swimming is a no-no, if they don't want to obey those rules, they don't have to go swimming. Again, it's her choice.

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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I wouldn't mind really. It would only garner me some well earned respect for my overpowering manliness.

    You missed the point however, which was that if those tree huggers thought that all clothes were oppressive, and had enough guns and manpower, they could "liberate" you by forcing you to go around naked.
    Only people wear clothes out of free will, the majority of the Burka wearing women, as described by there approach to Islam, are bullied into certain things my there male counterparts and wrapping up like a Ninja would be one of them.

    Of course, since you have been "brainwashed" by our society, instead of feeling liberated, you would feel naked and exposed, and would wish you could wear the clothes that you prefer.
    No, not brainwashed at all. I mainly wear clothes because i want to be protected by weather and i don't want other people seeing my bits, thanks.

    But given time, you may come to appreciate being freed from our societies oppressive expectation to cover your natural self, and then you would obviously hail the tree-huggers as your heroes and liberators, for forcing you to be free from the constraints of social modesty.
    Some people actually do find themselves in this position, but by nature im not a tree hugging hippy whack job, so i wouldn't confine to there ideals.

    Or maybe they would just be oppressive scumbags for forcing you to go around naked, when you would rather wear clothes.
    Again, the majority rather not wear them. I used to know this one muslim woman who wore it to cover up her bruises and scars from her husband and because she was scared other men would see her, her husband put all sorts of ideas into her head it was truly saddening.
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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Nope. If a woman is stupid enough to obey a religion that demands she hide from public by wearing a tent, then it's up to her to discard the tent. She has legal recourse to get her husband or anyone else arrested who uses or threatens physical violence against her for not becoming a walking camping ground, but that's that.
    But she's been taught thats acceptable and expected by her male counterpart.

    The paranoids in France have banned the wearing of religious jewelry in public schools, too.
    Well, thats bad.


    However, wearing clothes while swimming is a no-no, if they don't want to obey those rules, they don't have to go swimming. Again, it's her choice.
    I agree.
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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Good.
    Getting into the pool with your clothes on is illegal in my pool, so this is a legitimate act.
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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    No, not brainwashed at all. I mainly wear clothes because i want to be protected by weather and i don't want other people seeing my bits, thanks.
    I don't want other people seeing my bits, either. Have something of a preference for not having to see other peoples' bits while I'm out in public, either. I'm sure these women feel much the same way... they just have a longer list of bits they don't want on display than you or I do.

    Then again, I'm fairly certain that my list of bits is somewhat more inclusive than yours as well.

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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Good.
    Getting into the pool with your clothes on is illegal in my pool, so this is a legitimate act.
    That was a perfectly legitimate swimsuit she was wearing. Unless you insist that your guests swim entirely in the nude, I think you are overreaching. And if you think that public swimming pools should only permit swimming in the nude, I don't think I want you making my laws.

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