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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Really, you can tell?
    Did you share a room with them or something?
    Indeed it is, just like America, but there is a bigger culture that unites 'em all.

    But wait, we're speaking about France here, France is not a melting pot, why would you bring up the subject, Mira?
    You are free to believe so.
    It seems to me as if most of them aren't even trying to blend.
    And when was the last time that you LIVED in France ?
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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Umm...keeping the swimming pool clean...?
    It's a public swimming pool...kids pee in those things. I don't think a full body swim suit is going to do much harm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    There's a rule against swimming while fully clothed. It's not discrimination. Any muslim that wants to swim, can, as soon as they follow the rules for pool use.
    Of course it's discriminatory. They know that some Muslims may wish to cover up or whatever. Their choice. What the hell is so terrible "swimming while fully clothed"? It's a swim suit designed with a hood, it's not less cleanly somehow or any of those BS arguments. If someone wants to, why should you get to say no? It's just xenophobia and that's it. France does not like Muslims and this law is purposefully aimed at that specific group.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If they don't like those rules, nothing is stopping them from building their own swimming pools....using their own money.
    There's always that, but it's pretty crappy to make such discriminatory laws and support them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    They are minding their own business.

    Their business was to ensure people followed the rules regarding pool use.
    If they were minding their own damned business, they wouldn't be making laws about things which don't matter and which specifically target one religious group.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The damn female muslims in this country wanted to have their driver's license photos taken while their were wearing their masks....er veils. That didn't fly, fortunately. If they don't want to have their photo taken for their driver's license, with their full face showing, then they don't have to have a license....but they're not allowed to drive without that license, just like everyone else.
    I mentioned this earlier. It can be ok to demand an actual identifying picture on an ID or license. There are some things which religion doesn't trump. But this case of France and the swimsuit isn't one of them. This isn't getting a drivers license, this is going to a public pool and that's it. In a swim suit that covers more than swim suits normally do and that's it. In this case with what France is trying to do, this is nothing less than discrimination and xenophobia.
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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    And when was the last time that you LIVED in France ?
    Three weeks ago.
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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    The club I belong to doesn't allow clothes in the pool at all. Swimsuits only. For whatever reason many if not most public pools have this rule.
    What if it's a swimsuit with a hood? Like this thingie that chick wanted to wear?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Coming into this late...

    I recall reading about a time when bikinis would be considered obscene in even Europe, and yet now excessive modesty is considered oppressive. I understood the burka thing more, but a swimming pool is different.

    Also... what hygiene concerns?
    Really. What are the hygiene concerns?

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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Had I meant to say such a thing, believe me, I would have said so.
    I know. You speak your mind quite clearly.

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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Three weeks ago.
    aaaahuh
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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
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    I mentioned this earlier. It can be ok to demand an actual identifying picture on an ID or license. There are some things which religion doesn't trump. But this case of France and the swimsuit isn't one of them. This isn't getting a drivers license, this is going to a public pool and that's it. In a swim suit that covers more than swim suits normally do and that's it. In this case with what France is trying to do, this is nothing less than discrimination and xenophobia.
    Speaking of ID cards, during the French colonisation of Algeria, the army forced the Algerian women to remove their headscarves in order to have their identity pictures taken. The army photographer at that time was a guy called Marc Garanger (who I met a few years ago and we became friends).

    He published those pictures years later and they clearly show the great humiliation on the faces of these women who had never uncovered their hair in front of men before.

    here's one of those pictures, but if you google the name of the photgrapher you will find more.

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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Aw, poor women. I can't imagine how it must feel like being forced to do that.


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    Re: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I couldn't give a ****?
    Well, that's an honest answer!
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