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    Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush
    'Statute of Limitations Has Expired' on Many Secrets, Former Vice President Says

    By Barton Gellman
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, August 13, 2009

    In his first few months after leaving office, former vice president Richard B. Cheney threw himself into public combat against the "far left" agenda of the new commander in chief. More private reflections, as his memoir takes shape in slashing longhand on legal pads, have opened a second front against Cheney's White House partner of eight years, George W. Bush.
    That phrase jumped out at me. Partner? That's not how the constitution sees it. Cheney always came across as someone who thought he was the President's equal in terms of power and responsibility. The unprecedented expansion of VP powers aside, he always came off in interviews as if he thought of himself as the co-President.

    Cheney's disappointment with the former president surfaced recently in one of the informal conversations he is holding to discuss the book with authors, diplomats, policy experts and past colleagues. By habit, he listens more than he talks, but Cheney broke form when asked about his regrets.

    "In the second term, he felt Bush was moving away from him," said a participant in the recent gathering, describing Cheney's reply. "He said Bush was shackled by the public reaction and the criticism he took. Bush was more malleable to that. The implication was that Bush had gone soft on him, or rather Bush had hardened against Cheney's advice. He'd showed an independence that Cheney didn't see coming. It was clear that Cheney's doctrine was cast-iron strength at all times -- never apologize, never explain -- and Bush moved toward the conciliatory."
    As I look back on the Bush Presidency, I have begun to see Bush as a victim (for lack of a better word) of really bad advice. IMO, he was mislead and manipulated by early advisors thrust upon him by political cronies. From day one, he appeared to lack the intellect and critical thinking ability to really evaluate information and opinions and then make the kind of decisions that President needs to make. He relied heavily on his advisors to tell him what to do--often, in the first term, relying on Cheney to make the call.

    However, in the beginning of his second term, he declared himself the 'decider' and decided he was really going to have a go at being President. To co-president Cheney, this must have been infuriating.

    I'm more interested in the tell-all book from Bush than I am from Cheney. Of course, if Cheney's book comes out first, this might inspire Bush to get more honest.

    Every time something new is revealed about what really went on behind-the-scenes at the Bush White House, I'm never surprised.

    Cheney comes off in some ways as the Jack Nicholson character in A Few Good Men -- he wants so bad to tell people what he did and why he did it. I'm hoping his editor and advisors don't hold him back. Let the chips fall where they may.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

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    That phrase jumped out at me. Partner? That's not how the constitution sees it. Cheney always came across as someone who thought he was the President's equal in terms of power and responsibility. The unprecedented expansion of VP powers aside, he always came off in interviews as if he thought of himself as the co-President.
    First, those were the author's words, not Cheney's. And I think that characterization, as provided by the author, pretty much shows the slant of the article.

    Second, it was Clinton who greatly expanded the role of the VP with Al Gore; Cheney did different things, but his role in the administration was no greater than Gore's. Maybe you should check into things that happened before you started paying attention if you want to comment intelligently.
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    From day one, he appeared to lack the intellect and critical thinking ability to really evaluate information and opinions and then make the kind of decisions that President needs to make.
    It was not just an appearance. He actually lacked the intellect. The problem is, he surrounded himself with people who were not stupid, but ideologically bankrupt.
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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    This article is basically a commentary of the following image:

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    That phrase jumped out at me. Partner? That's not how the constitution sees it. Cheney always came across as someone who thought he was the President's equal in terms of power and responsibility. The unprecedented expansion of VP powers aside, he always came off in interviews as if he thought of himself as the co-President.

    As I look back on the Bush Presidency, I have begun to see Bush as a victim (for lack of a better word) of really bad advice. IMO, he was mislead and manipulated by early advisors thrust upon him by political cronies. From day one, he appeared to lack the intellect and critical thinking ability to really evaluate information and opinions and then make the kind of decisions that President needs to make. He relied heavily on his advisors to tell him what to do--often, in the first term, relying on Cheney to make the call.

    However, in the beginning of his second term, he declared himself the 'decider' and decided he was really going to have a go at being President. To co-president Cheney, this must have been infuriating.

    I'm more interested in the tell-all book from Bush than I am from Cheney. Of course, if Cheney's book comes out first, this might inspire Bush to get more honest.

    Every time something new is revealed about what really went on behind-the-scenes at the Bush White House, I'm never surprised.

    Cheney comes off in some ways as the Jack Nicholson character in A Few Good Men -- he wants so bad to tell people what he did and why he did it. I'm hoping his editor and advisors don't hold him back. Let the chips fall where they may.
    I always greet such speculation with bemusement. The desperate desire of those, who couldn't contain their fevered hatred for the Bush Cheney administration for no better reason than they were against the Iraq war and still hysterically believe Bush stole the election from the dumbest man in America, Al Gore, to speculate is the realm of gossip columns and nothing that could be considered factual or real world.

    Cheney didn’t increase the POWER of the VP any more than previous VPs. Well, Biden may be the singular exception where the current administration wishes to hide him away to prevent further embarrassment from his foot-in-the-mouth stupidity. It is as absurd as suggesting that Bush vastly increased the power of the Presidency any more than other war time Presidents.

    Again, this is nothing but another one of those “because you say so” issues that seem to have a never ending life of their own.

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    You can almost pick up a scent in the air of how much Cheney must have abused Bush's trust at first. I bet Cheney made hell for Bush when Bush was to lazy to dig up what Cheney was really doing.
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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    To me, this article made Bush seem like the victim.
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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    To me, this article made Bush seem like the victim.
    It's probably quite true. I don't think Bush was stupid, but I think that he, like many people would be, was a bit out of his league around Cheney & Co. It seems like they exploited that weakness whenever they got a chance.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    For me, I am pretty indifferent. The article is pretty clearly Anti-Cheney, and while I am as well, I don't think it helps to run off and make assumptions based on a biased article. let's wait for the book and condemn Cheney for his own words. I am sure there will be plenty to condemn for those of us who believe the liberal ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    As I look back on the Bush Presidency, I have begun to see Bush as a victim (for lack of a better word) of really bad advice. IMO, he was mislead and manipulated by early advisors thrust upon him by political cronies. From day one, he appeared to lack the intellect and critical thinking ability to really evaluate information and opinions and then make the kind of decisions that President needs to make. He relied heavily on his advisors to tell him what to do--often, in the first term, relying on Cheney to make the call.
    That's how I've seen the Bush presidency as well -- badly advised early on by people who were in it more for their own personal gain than anything else. By the time Bush finally wrested the reigns away from them, it was too late.

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