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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You know, it would be very easy for you to "google" this for yourself as well. I think you knew the answer, but just wish to play the same games hazel is playing on this topic.
    Actually, I was feeling optimistic about having an actual conversation with the infamous TD. If I googled it, I would deprive myself of having the pleasure wouldn't I?


    EDIT: And grim's response did not answer my question, because you see, it's an open ended question.
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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Where'd you all go?

    The 3 of you jumped at me for my simple question, but now no one's playing? I feel used...
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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Bush took a hard left turn towards the end of his first term and during his second term, showed his true colors, and betrayed Cheney and Rumsfeld. Hell, I don’t blame Cheney for spilling his guts, since Cheney remained loyal to Bush even when he disagreed with him. Bush was like his daddy in that he was a closet liberal who didn’t have a conservative bone in his body and like his daddy he was grossly incompetent as hell!

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Sam, Sam, Sam; there you go again Sam. Shame on you again. Here's a reminder of what Democrats said about WMDs lest we continue to desperately attempt to re-write history:

    Here they are on video:

    YouTube - Democrats Used to Say There Were WMD

    Here are their statements, note the dates too Sam....I guess they were all lying too weren't they Sam?

    "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

    "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
    - Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
    - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
    Letter to President Clinton.
    - (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
    - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
    - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source
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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Where'd you all go?

    The 3 of you jumped at me for my simple question, but now no one's playing? I feel used...
    u r goin to ge+ s0000 much kut an pAstE reespnze it wi11 make yer ize bl33d d00d
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    u r goin to ge+ s0000 much kut an pAstE reespnze it wi11 make yer ize bl33d d00d
    nah....TD wouldn't do that!
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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    I can't believe all the misinformation in this thread. Good lord people!

    1. Robert Novak's notorious article cited "two senior administration officials" as its sources. Not one, but two. Armitage was one. Patrick Fitzgerald didn't know who the other source was when the investigation started. So, any assertions that they knew who the leaker was before the investigation began are patently false. As it turned out, Karl Rove was the other source. Rove also leaked to Matt Cooper, and Libby leaked to Judith Miller, but they didn't mention her name.

    2. To find out whether a law was broken, it was essential for investigators to determine who knew about Plame and when. It was during this investigation that Libby testified repeatedly to a Federal Grand Jury that he was surprised to learn about Plame from a conversation with Tim Russert in July. Nine different witnesses testified that they had conversations in June with Libby regarding Plame. These witnesses included Dick Cheney, Ari Fliecher, and Libby's own CIA briefer Craig Schmall. The jury didn't believe that Libby could have had nine conversations about something and then suddenly be surprised to learn about it during a 10th conversation. Since Libby obviously lied about when he learned who Plame was, he was rightfully convicted of obstruction of justice. And since the investigation was halted by Libby's lies, Fitzgerald was never able to bring charges to anyone for leaking her name. So, any assertions that Libby was unjustly thrown under the bus in a political witch hunt, or that his conviction had nothing to do with the outing of a covert agent, simply because nobody was ever charged with outing Valerie Plame, are patently false.

    3. CIA director Michael Haden has confirmed that Valerie Plame was in fact a covert agent on the day Novak's article was published and her identity was exposed. So, any assertions that "there was no covered agent" (assuming covert here, right Prof?) are patently false.

    4. A National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iraq was created in 1998, and another one in 2002. So, statements made about Iraq in 1998 were based on the 1998 NIE, and have no relevance to the decisions that were made based on the 2002 NIE (which still predicted a grim situation, but one that had improved since 1998).

    5. For three weeks prior to the Iraq invasion, UN weapons inspectors had been enjoying unrestricted access to Iraq. Hussein's bluff had been called and he was cooperating. George W. Bush was the last person to kick the inspectors out of Iraq, not Sadaam Hussein. So, assertions that "nobody knew" Iraq had no WMDs, or that all 15 intelligence agencies agreed in a 2002 NIE (before the inspectors were let back in) therefore the Iraq invasion was necessary, are patently false.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You know, it would be very easy for you to "google" this for yourself
    Couldn't have said it better myself.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    covered, not covert

    or, either

    the language back at the time was like this---to be COVERED as a COVERT agent by the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, you had to meet certain specifications that it appears ms plame failed to measure up to

    to be covered, one:

    must have been on an overseas assignment "within the last five years." The assignment also must be long-term, not a short trip or temporary post, two experts on the law say. Wilson's book makes numerous references to the couple's life in Washington over the six years up to July 2003.

    USATODAY.com - CIA 'outing' might fall short of crime

    she was not covered by the act cuz she had not been covert, she worked a desk job

    mr prosecutor said as much many times, he could not seek for going after libby on outing her for more than just the one reason

    her failure to meet conditions required to be covered being but another

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post

    2. To find out whether a law was broken, it was essential for investigators to determine who knew about Plame and when. It was during this investigation that Libby testified repeatedly to a Federal Grand Jury that he was surprised to learn about Plame from a conversation with Tim Russert in July. Nine different witnesses testified that they had conversations in June with Libby regarding Plame. These witnesses included Dick Cheney, Ari Fliecher, and Libby's own CIA briefer Craig Schmall. The jury didn't believe that Libby could have had nine conversations about something and then suddenly be surprised to learn about it during a 10th conversation. Since Libby obviously lied about when he learned who Plame was, he was rightfully convicted of obstruction of justice. And since the investigation was halted by Libby's lies, Fitzgerald was never able to bring charges to anyone for leaking her name. So, any assertions that Libby was unjustly thrown under the bus in a political witch hunt, or that his conviction had nothing to do with the outing of a covert agent, simply because nobody was ever charged with outing Valerie Plame, are patently false.
    Thanks Binary, fine work.

    As you've probably read, Truth Detector stated that the Plame case had nothing to do with Libby's conviction:

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    It sure as hell had NOTHING to do with the outting of Plame;
    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Libby's prosecution for lying under oath had NOTHING to do with the [Plame] case.
    Truth Detector - the most ironic user name ever.

    This is usually the point where he disappears from the thread.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Since Libby obviously lied about when he learned who Plame was, he was rightfully convicted of obstruction of justice.
    Libby didn't "obviously lie", but I am a believer in law, so I agree that there was no choice but to find him guilty.

    The reason I said he didn't obviously lie, is because back when all this was taking place, it wasn't an issue. Even the CIA never stated, or even implied, that discussing her publicly would be any violation of the law. So the topic of Valerie Plame had no more significance than discussing Frank the White House gardener. Libby maintains that he just didn't remember, or wasn't sure about conversations he had about the lady... Which is very plausible.

    Think about it... Why would he lie about something that wasn't a violation of the law?


    And since the investigation was halted by Libby's lies, Fitzgerald was never able to bring charges to anyone for leaking her name.
    Bull... Fitzgerald knew in the first few weeks of the investigation that Richard Armitage was Robert Novak's initial source for his op-ed. That was what this investigation was about... Remember? That fact has never been disputed.

    Nothing Libby did or said resulted in the investigation coming to a halt. The investigation ended, because there was no crime committed concerning the public disclosure of Valerie Plame. Patrick Fitzgerald just wasted 2 years and millions of tax payer dollars investigating something that wasn't even a crime, so he tried to make Libby look the the reason nobody was indicted for the leak.

    So, any assertions that Libby was unjustly thrown under the bus in a political witch hunt, or that his conviction had nothing to do with the outing of a covert agent, simply because nobody was ever charged with outing Valerie Plame, are patently false.
    Let me quote the prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald:

    “the defendant was neither charged nor convicted of any crime involving the leaking of Ms. Plame’s ‘covert’ status.”

    He also went on to say:

    “The reasons why Mr. Libby was not charged with an offense directly relating to his unauthorized disclosures of classified information regarding Ms. Wilson, included, but were not limited to, the fact that Mr. Libby’s false testimony obscured a confident determination of what in fact occurred, particularly where the accounts of the reporters with whom Mr. Libby spoke (and their notes) did not include any explicit evidence specifically proving that Mr. Libby knew that Ms. Wilson was a covert agent.”

    Of course, the one thing Fitzgerald fails to mention in that statement, is the fact that libby didn't discuss Plame to anyone outside the White House until nearly 2 weeks after Armitage told Novak that Wilson's wife was the one who got him the Niger assignment.

    Source.
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