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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You're kidding me right? What part of the charges brought against Libby has to do with this case? I will wait for the FACTS from you to suggest that anything I have stated is untrue.
    I know, I know... reading and following along with the thread (even your own posts) are not your strong suit. I'll oblige just this once and hold your hand through the process. After that, you're on your own.

    Let's see you said regarding Scooter Libby's conviction:

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    It sure as hell had NOTHING to do with the outting of Plame; unless of course you desperately want to spin this some more?
    You also stated:

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Libby's prosecution for lying under oath had NOTHING to do with the [outting of Plame] case.
    Then I presented you with the following facts. (click below) [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Libby"]the following facts[/ame]:

    Libby resigned all three government positions immediately after he was indicted on federal charges of obstruction and perjury resulting from the grand jury investigation into the leak of the covert identity of Central Intelligence Agency officer Valerie Plame. In his trial for his role in the Plame affair, United States v. Libby, the jury convicted Libby on four of the five counts in the indictment: one count of obstruction of justice; two counts of perjury; and one count of making false statements to federal investigators.
    The Wiki article has plenty of citations to back this up. Again the stubbornness of facts.

    Here's where I think you run into problems. The reading part. You see, you miss the FACTS you so desperately desire when you don't take a moment to read.

    Now, in two posts you said one had 'nothing to do' with the other. When the FACTS say otherwise.

    Are you with me...? Because the FACTS I posted contradict your statement. Get it?

    If, after reviewing the facts, you really don't understand how one investigation lead to, resulted in the ultimate conviction of Libby, then, my friend, you are beyond my help.

    As for the rest of your post:

    Have you been drinking, or are you just THAT incoherent when it comes to reading comprehension?
    Reading comprehension...Ironic, coming from you.

    FACT: This was an investigation of the "outing" of a CIA agent where the source of the presumed “outing”, Armitage, was known before the investigation even began.
    See you had some of the facts. You just were not able to connect the dots. No worries. We'll help you out.


    FACT: No crime of "outing" a CIA agent was ever discovered in this case and NO prosecutions for that crime were brought forth.
    Well bully for you pointing out an irrelevant fact in support of your mistake.

    And Al Capone went to prison for tax evasion. OJ for armed robbery. That's how the justice system sometimes works, sport. Slow, sometimes sloppy, but hopefully Karmic.

    You were desperately attempting to suggest otherwise? Read Grim's response; at least he is coherent and comprehends what it is he is talking about, something that cannot be said for your ramblings.
    TD, again the irony of your user name just makes me laugh. You make these totally inaccurate statements, then, when presented with FACTS, you dance and parse words or run away and pretend the thread never existed. But we don't forget. They all still exist.

    Can't quite figure you out--to be bold in the making of inaccurate and false statements... Strange indeed.

    Either you don't really know what you were talking about most of the time or are just hoping no one notices the inaccuracies in your statements. Both explanations seem removed from reality in their own way...

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Sorry, the last thing the Left is allowed to question is anyone's ethics.

    That rule will change when they demonstrate possession of any.


    Care for me to link the so-called "ethical" Conservatives involved in scandals in the past 12 months? Or are you going to disown them and label them liberals?

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    1. the investigation was to find a white house source for bob novak's story

    2. there was no white house source

    3. there was no covered agent

    4. a dc jury did find libby guilty of perjury in the investigation into the incident that the prosecutor ultimately determined was not a crime

    5. health care's dead

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I know, I know... reading and following along with the thread (even your own posts) are not your strong suit. I'll oblige just this once and hold your hand through the process. After that, you're on your own.

    Let's see you said regarding Scooter Libby's conviction:

    You also stated:

    Then I presented you with the following facts. (click below) the following facts:

    The Wiki article has plenty of citations to back this up. Again the stubbornness of facts.

    Here's where I think you run into problems. The reading part. You see, you miss the FACTS you so desperately desire when you don't take a moment to read.

    Now, in two posts you said one had 'nothing to do' with the other. When the FACTS say otherwise.

    Are you with me...? Because the FACTS I posted contradict your statement. Get it?

    If, after reviewing the facts, you really don't understand how one investigation lead to, resulted in the ultimate conviction of Libby, then, my friend, you are beyond my help.

    As for the rest of your post:

    Reading comprehension...Ironic, coming from you.

    See you had some of the facts. You just were not able to connect the dots. No worries. We'll help you out.

    Well bully for you pointing out an irrelevant fact in support of your mistake.

    And Al Capone went to prison for tax evasion. OJ for armed robbery. That's how the justice system sometimes works, sport. Slow, sometimes sloppy, but hopefully Karmic.

    TD, again the irony of your user name just makes me laugh. You make these totally inaccurate statements, then, when presented with FACTS, you dance and parse words or run away and pretend the thread never existed. But we don't forget. They all still exist.

    Can't quite figure you out--to be bold in the making of inaccurate and false statements... Strange indeed.

    Either you don't really know what you were talking about most of the time or are just hoping no one notices the inaccuracies in your statements. Both explanations seem removed from reality in their own way...
    Let's try this again; Libby was not charged with ANYTHING related to the outing of a CIA agent. THEY ALREADY KNEW WHO DID IT.

    You can desperately attempt to link Libby to the purpose of the investigation, but his crimes had ZERO to do with the Plame affair but rather were an effort by an overzealous prosecutor to charge someone with something to justify the millions spent in a case where the perpetrator was KNOWN before the investigation started. Not to mention imprisoning a reporter for no real reason as well.

    End of case. I can't make it any clearer than that but apparently you want to play the obfuscation semantic game here.

    Carry on.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post


    Care for me to link the so-called "ethical" Conservatives involved in scandals in the past 12 months? Or are you going to disown them and label them liberals?
    The Liberal list is far longer; but when you are wallowing in denial, I can see why you would attempt to play this silly game.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Let's try this again; Libby was not charged with ANYTHING related to the outing of a CIA agent. THEY ALREADY KNEW WHO DID IT.

    You can desperately attempt to link Libby to the purpose of the investigation, but his crimes had ZERO to do with the Plame affair but rather were an effort by an overzealous prosecutor to charge someone with something to justify the millions spent in a case where the perpetrator was KNOWN before the investigation started. Not to mention imprisoning a reporter for no real reason as well.

    End of case. I can't make it any clearer than that but apparently you want to play the obfuscation semantic game here.

    Carry on.
    Okay. Let's say Libby had zero to do with the outing of Plame, what are some possible reasons for him lying to federal investigators?
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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Okay. Let's say Libby had zero to do with the outing of Plame, what are some possible reasons for him lying to federal investigators?
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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
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    You can be more elaborate than that, can't you?
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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Okay. Let's say Libby had zero to do with the outing of Plame, what are some possible reasons for him lying to federal investigators?
    That question was already answered by Grim in this response:

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    He was convicted of perjury, because he made contradictory statements to investigators. Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald made it clear, that he was not guilty of outing a covert CIA agent.
    You know, it would be very easy for you to "google" this for yourself as well. I think you knew the answer, but just wish to play the same games hazel is playing on this topic.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Okay. Let's say Libby had zero to do with the outing of Plame, what are some possible reasons for him lying to federal investigators?
    Are you still pimpin' that whore? Jeezz.
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