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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Geez... Here we are five years after the fact, and there are people who either still clueless, or incapable of being honest.

    Richard Armitage was the one who leaked Plame's name to Robert Novak, which wasn't even a crime in the first place.
    Richard Armitage made an innocent off hand remark to Novak that at the time he thought nothing off, same for Novak. Since you are so knowledgeable, I guess you simply forget the ethics that journalists are suppose to always find a second source? It was that second source that is at the heart of the controversy. Go read Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War.

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    Nobody knew that there weren't stockpiles of WMD in Iraq. Every credible intelligence agency in the world believed he had them.

    I guess lying is just part of being a far left liberal.

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    Wrong again. Funny you should use the word clueless, as I suspect you have read no accounting as to how intelligence was gathered prior to the war. Not every credible intelligence agency had this conclusion. In fact some were quite aware that we were making asses of ourselves with some of the claims.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Geez... Here we are five years after the fact, and there are people who either still clueless, or incapable of being honest.

    Richard Armitage was the one who leaked Plame's name to Robert Novak, which wasn't even a crime in the first place.






    Nobody knew that there weren't stockpiles of WMD in Iraq. Every credible intelligence agency in the world believed he had them.

    I guess lying is just part of being a far left liberal.

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    Then why is Scooter Libby still serving a sentence of supervised release for two years and paying a $250,000 fine? If he is innocent and it was Armitage, Libby should be off the hook, right?

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the source for the plame leak was revealed to be richard armitage who told it to his friend bob novak (who has disappeared completely from public view, i pray he is well)

    the plame/joe wilson story died determinately, decisively, when armitage was outed precisely because both he and novak are the exact opposites of neo cons

    they are genghis cons, traditional isolationist conservatives

    both outward and ardent opponents of w's war

    the entire motivation underlying wilson was blown apart

    novak was curious---who the heck is this guy who wrote the ny times op ed making all these grandiose claims concerning his proximity to the veep?

    it was what it was

    empahsis---was

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    Bravo, hear hear.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Geez... Here we are five years after the fact, and there are people who either still clueless, or incapable of being honest.

    Richard Armitage was the one who leaked Plame's name to Robert Novak, which wasn't even a crime in the first place.

    Nobody knew that there weren't stockpiles of WMD in Iraq. Every credible intelligence agency in the world believed he had them.

    I guess lying is just part of being a far left liberal.

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    Some just have a very difficult time letting go of parroting false Democrat talking points. After all, if they were to stick to facts, who could they smear and demagogue?

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Then why is Scooter Libby still serving a sentence of supervised release for two years and paying a $250,000 fine? If he is innocent and it was Armitage, Libby should be off the hook, right?
    It sure as hell had NOTHING to do with the outting of Plame; unless of course you desperately want to spin this some more?

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Are you implying that Cheney is going to tell the truth in his book? You mean, he'll admit that his office intentionally outed Valerie Plame? That he knew there were no WMDs when he alleged they existed? That he had no remorse when he shot his friend?
    Well, if he was going to tell the truth, he clearly wouldn't be confessing to outing Plame, since he didn't do it.

    I do wish you people would read the news at least some of the time.

    A low level flack in the State Department, Richard Armitage did the irrelevant deed.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    I think the problem with George W. Bush was that he was, to quote Bob Woodward, "Intellectually lazy" and lacking in any curiosity. This article is not really anything new, but rather an extenuation of what appears to be a battle between the two camps over their legacy. Cheney was definitely marginalized in the second half, and certainly ignored post 2006. I think we would have seen a whole different world had there been a VP with more intelligent pragmatism instead of rigid ideology.

    Cheney was much more swept up with the Neo-Con movement than anything, and I did not see Bush as having that great of a world outlook, he was always much more focused in regards to his domestic agenda. As it plays out now, I think Cheney will go down in history as the villain, which may explain why he is still in the D.C. area fighting mad about his reputation. Funny thing is, it is Cheney fighting Bush, or aides of each camp. I think as Cheney continues to ratchet up more former Bush aides are going to go on or off the record with even more tantalizing tales painting Cheney in a much more negative light. Last spring we had the faux headline that there was Cheney vs. Obama debate about national security. I say faux, because it was really Cheney vs. Bush post 2006.

    The problem with Bush is that he's a liberal.

    That's an terminal illness.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Richard Armitage made an innocent off hand remark to Novak that at the time he thought nothing off, same for Novak. Since you are so knowledgeable, I guess you simply forget the ethics that journalists are suppose to always find a second source? It was that second source that is at the heart of the controversy. Go read Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War.

    Wrong again. Funny you should use the word clueless, as I suspect you have read no accounting as to how intelligence was gathered prior to the war. Not every credible intelligence agency had this conclusion. In fact some were quite aware that we were making asses of ourselves with some of the claims.
    Sam, Sam, Sam; there you go again Sam. Shame on you again. Here's a reminder of what Democrats said about WMDs lest we continue to desperately attempt to re-write history:

    Here they are on video:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn3tDudHDPY"]YouTube - Democrats Used to Say There Were WMD[/ame]

    Here are their statements, note the dates too Sam....I guess they were all lying too weren't they Sam?

    "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

    "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
    - Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
    - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
    Letter to President Clinton.
    - (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
    - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
    - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    It sure as hell had NOTHING to do with the outting of Plame; unless of course you desperately want to spin this some more?
    What was it for then? It seems lying to the FBI, and what, four other criminal charges?

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Yes, and why did all these Dems (who were wrong) say this? Can you answer me that?

    Could it be that they were told of fake yellowcake purchase that was instigated by a known Italian fraudster? Could it be they were not told the truth, what actual scientists had to say about aluminum tubes? Could it be they were not told the truth about Curveball's allegations?

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