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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    OMG, we are moving to a new realm of speculation; it wasn't all Bush's fault, everything is Cheney's fault!

    I wonder who people will blame after Obama is done wrecking the nation’s economy and currency; Biden? But alas, they are keeping him away from the public due to his propensity to prove what a dense moron he is.

    Or perhaps it will continue to be the Bush/Cheney conspiracy.
    I never mentioned Cheney in that post.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I never mentioned Cheney in that post.
    I know, but I threw it in for chits N giggles because, as the Liberal arguments go, Bush was a moron and a pawn for Cheney; can't have one without the other right? And that is the thread topic, Cheney, not Bush.



    P.S. I wasn't mocking you either.....it was a "just sayin."

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    i say respectfully, no one cares except partisans and historians

    america is focused like laser on health care, which is dying on the operating table

    cheney and george w what's-his-name don't signify

    carry on

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I know, but I threw it in for chits N giggles because, as the Liberal arguments go, Bush was a moron and a pawn for Cheney; can't have one without the other right? And that is the thread topic, Cheney, not Bush.



    P.S. I wasn't mocking you either.....it was a "just sayin."
    Okay, I see where you're coming from.

    FWIW, I don't think Bush was a pawn; I think that, as every president, he realized that he couldn't possibly know and do everything, so he needed advisors and administrators, and ended up getting people like Mike "Heck of a job" Brown.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Are you implying that Cheney is going to tell the truth in his book? You mean, he'll admit that his office intentionally outed Valerie Plame? That he knew there were no WMDs when he alleged they existed? That he had no remorse when he shot his friend?


    Where are the "truths" here? The last one is particularly childish.
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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    the source for the plame leak was revealed to be richard armitage who told it to his friend bob novak (who has disappeared completely from public view, i pray he is well)

    the plame/joe wilson story died determinately, decisively, when armitage was outed precisely because both he and novak are the exact opposites of neo cons

    they are genghis cons, traditional isolationist conservatives

    both outward and ardent opponents of w's war

    the entire motivation underlying wilson was blown apart

    novak was curious---who the heck is this guy who wrote the ny times op ed making all these grandiose claims concerning his proximity to the veep?

    it was what it was

    empahsis---was

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Honestly, I would think that this article has more than likely slanted every piece of evidence is has used for the claims it makes. Did Cheney feel that Bush moved away from him in the second term? I can see that possibility, as Cheney was not as visible in the second term, however I greatly doubt that he would bash Bush for such a strategy, as much of the country was beginning to criticize Cheney's seemingly powerful sway over the president. I was not a fan of many of Bush's policies, but I do not knock him for them. He and his side have their convictions and intentions for what they feel is best for the country, and Democrats have theirs. So, I would not call Bush a flunky or weak to Cheney. I would however, say that surely Bush trusted Cheney's opinions and had to keep Cheney more in the background during the second term to avoid more PR damage.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post

    As I look back on the Bush Presidency, I have begun to see Bush as a victim (for lack of a better word) of really bad advice. IMO, he was mislead and manipulated by early advisors thrust upon him by political cronies. From day one, he appeared to lack the intellect and critical thinking ability to really evaluate information and opinions and then make the kind of decisions that President needs to make. He relied heavily on his advisors to tell him what to do--often, in the first term, relying on Cheney to make the call.

    However, in the beginning of his second term, he declared himself the 'decider' and decided he was really going to have a go at being President. To co-president Cheney, this must have been infuriating.

    I'm more interested in the tell-all book from Bush than I am from Cheney. Of course, if Cheney's book comes out first, this might inspire Bush to get more honest.

    Every time something new is revealed about what really went on behind-the-scenes at the Bush White House, I'm never surprised.

    Cheney comes off in some ways as the Jack Nicholson character in A Few Good Men -- he wants so bad to tell people what he did and why he did it. I'm hoping his editor and advisors don't hold him back. Let the chips fall where they may.
    I think the problem with George W. Bush was that he was, to quote Bob Woodward, "Intellectually lazy" and lacking in any curiosity. This article is not really anything new, but rather an extenuation of what appears to be a battle between the two camps over their legacy. Cheney was definitely marginalized in the second half, and certainly ignored post 2006. I think we would have seen a whole different world had there been a VP with more intelligent pragmatism instead of rigid ideology.

    Cheney was much more swept up with the Neo-Con movement than anything, and I did not see Bush as having that great of a world outlook, he was always much more focused in regards to his domestic agenda. As it plays out now, I think Cheney will go down in history as the villain, which may explain why he is still in the D.C. area fighting mad about his reputation. Funny thing is, it is Cheney fighting Bush, or aides of each camp. I think as Cheney continues to ratchet up more former Bush aides are going to go on or off the record with even more tantalizing tales painting Cheney in a much more negative light. Last spring we had the faux headline that there was Cheney vs. Obama debate about national security. I say faux, because it was really Cheney vs. Bush post 2006.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    i think this is just advance pr.......he wants to sell a book, but that book won't have anything ground breaking in it.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    You mean, he'll admit that his office intentionally outed Valerie Plame?
    Geez... Here we are five years after the fact, and there are people who either still clueless, or incapable of being honest.

    Richard Armitage was the one who leaked Plame's name to Robert Novak, which wasn't even a crime in the first place.




    That he knew there were no WMDs when he alleged they existed?
    Nobody knew that there weren't stockpiles of WMD in Iraq. Every credible intelligence agency in the world believed he had them.

    I guess lying is just part of being a far left liberal.

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