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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    For me, I am pretty indifferent. The article is pretty clearly Anti-Cheney, and while I am as well, I don't think it helps to run off and make assumptions based on a biased article. let's wait for the book and condemn Cheney for his own words. I am sure there will be plenty to condemn for those of us who believe the liberal ideology.
    Are you implying that Cheney is going to tell the truth in his book? You mean, he'll admit that his office intentionally outed Valerie Plame? That he knew there were no WMDs when he alleged they existed? That he had no remorse when he shot his friend?

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    I am betting we can all come to much better conclusions after we have actually READ the book when it ACTUALLY comes out. But alas, this is just a wild-ass guess on my part.


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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Are you implying that Cheney is going to tell the truth in his book? You mean, he'll admit that his office intentionally outed Valerie Plame? That he knew there were no WMDs when he alleged they existed? That he had no remorse when he shot his friend?
    Oh no, I don't think he will be particularly honest. I just think that things he is proud of are things you and I are going to be appalled at. I think his book will give you and I plenty to complain about, while conservatives scratch their head not understanding our outrage.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I am betting we can all come to much better conclusions after we have actually READ the book when it ACTUALLY comes out. But alas, this is just a wild-ass guess on my part.

    Ok, that is twice...really, who are you, and what have you done with the real TD?

    Is this the first time we have ever said the same basic thing in a thread?

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Are you implying that Cheney is going to tell the truth in his book? You mean, he'll admit that his office intentionally outed Valerie Plame? That he knew there were no WMDs when he alleged they existed? That he had no remorse when he shot his friend?
    Good lord, even with all the investigations and millions spent resulting in NOTHING to support such hyper partisan emotionally biased claims, you still go on and on and on like the Energizer bunny don't you?

    Why is it that even when confronted with REALITY and the FACTS Liberals cannot contain themselves to spew their vitriol for people whom they disagree with politically.

    Now this is not suggesting that Cheney or anyone else who publishes a book always tell the TRUTH, but to sit here and speculate in a vacuum of reality and the book even being published is beyond the pale.


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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ok, that is twice...really, who are you, and what have you done with the real TD?

    Is this the first time we have ever said the same basic thing in a thread?
    I assure you Redress that we have not said the same thing. You said; "I just think that things he is proud of are things you and I are going to be appalled at. I think his book will give you and I plenty to complain about, while conservatives scratch their head not understanding our outrage."

    Nothing in that statement would fit my "hyper partisan" opinions. Now you can sleep better.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I assure you Redress that we have not said the same thing. You said; "I just think that things he is proud of are things you and I are going to be appalled at. I think his book will give you and I plenty to complain about, while conservatives scratch their head not understanding our outrage."

    Nothing in that statement would fit my "hyper partisan" opinions. Now you can sleep better.
    Read the post of mine in this thread before that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    For me, I am pretty indifferent. The article is pretty clearly Anti-Cheney, and while I am as well, I don't think it helps to run off and make assumptions based on a biased article. let's wait for the book and condemn Cheney for his own words. I am sure there will be plenty to condemn for those of us who believe the liberal ideology.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    That phrase jumped out at me. Partner? That's not how the constitution sees it. Cheney always came across as someone who thought he was the President's equal in terms of power and responsibility. The unprecedented expansion of VP powers aside, he always came off in interviews as if he thought of himself as the co-President.
    Sometimes the Pres and the VP work closely together, sometime they do not. The Pres has the authority to delegate whatever executive power he might choose to the VP. Big deal.

    As I look back on the Bush Presidency, I have begun to see Bush as a victim (for lack of a better word) of really bad advice. IMO, he was mislead and manipulated by early advisors thrust upon him by political cronies.
    Ok, this is fair enough.... but then...

    From day one, he appeared to lack the intellect and critical thinking ability...
    ... comes the ad hom.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    First, those were the author's words, not Cheney's. And I think that characterization, as provided by the author, pretty much shows the slant of the article.
    I can agree with that. It is the author's characterization of a speech. I'm sure there will be a rebuttle from Cheney. But, I'm sure you'll agree, that as informed readers, we must read between the lines and combine other information when forming an opinion. In one of Cheney's appearances on a Sunday morning a few months back, he did reveal some of his displeasure with the President's reluctance to fully pardon Libby. In watching that interview, I got the feeling that he was holding back--his tone, facial expression, body language hinted at a deeper spite and anger with the President's final decision on the Libby issue.

    IMO, Cheney's overall tone and attitude since leaving office, combined with what we do know about his relationship with Bush, all jive with the author's characterization. I guess apologists will see it as a 'slant'.

    Second, it was Clinton who greatly expanded the role of the VP with Al Gore; Cheney did different things, but his role in the administration was no greater than Gore's. Maybe you should check into things that happened before you started paying attention if you want to comment intelligently.
    Not true at all. And I'm not just saying that because truth detector believes it to be true (which is a sure fire indicator of the contrary) -- but Gore was very much the traditional VP as a promoter of programs, president of the Senate, and #1 in the line of succession. He traveled abroad, spoke out on issues... all very traditional and not pushing the boundaries the way Cheney did.

    Even with what little we know about what Cheney actually did behind the scenes, that's still more than Gore ever did in terms a setting policy, framing the message, advising the president.

    However, if you want to post some specific examples, your comment might have some validity. Right now, it reads as a failed attempt to deflect and derail the thread.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    That's how I've seen the Bush presidency as well -- badly advised early on by people who were in it more for their own personal gain than anything else. By the time Bush finally wrested the reigns away from them, it was too late.
    OMG, we are moving to a new realm of speculation; it wasn't all Bush's fault, everything is Cheney's fault!

    I wonder who people will blame after Obama is done wrecking the nationís economy and currency; Biden? But alas, they are keeping him away from the public due to his propensity to prove what a dense moron he is.

    Or perhaps it will continue to be the Bush/Cheney conspiracy.

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