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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    That's just the man's style... you know, his trademark. He isn't going to change for you or anyone.

    The man is intelligent and makes good, fact based arguments, so you're just going to have to get used to it. Or you could of course, use it as an excuse to ignore his posts so you don't have to address them.

    .
    His posts are a bit...random. Either that, or he's trying to change the subject.

    The ball was in his court when it was his turn to defend his argument. His response?

    "trying"

    "the whole point"

    LOL!
    A couple posts later, and we find him talking nonsense. A few posts after that he's started taking shots at Obama. Intelligence? Fact based arguments? Please.

    EDIT: And I'm the one ignoring the oppositions points and argument.
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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush



    That phrase jumped out at me. Partner? That's not how the constitution sees it. Cheney always came across as someone who thought he was the President's equal in terms of power and responsibility. The unprecedented expansion of VP powers aside, he always came off in interviews as if he thought of himself as the co-President.



    As I look back on the Bush Presidency, I have begun to see Bush as a victim (for lack of a better word) of really bad advice. IMO, he was mislead and manipulated by early advisors thrust upon him by political cronies. From day one, he appeared to lack the intellect and critical thinking ability to really evaluate information and opinions and then make the kind of decisions that President needs to make. He relied heavily on his advisors to tell him what to do--often, in the first term, relying on Cheney to make the call.

    However, in the beginning of his second term, he declared himself the 'decider' and decided he was really going to have a go at being President. To co-president Cheney, this must have been infuriating.

    I'm more interested in the tell-all book from Bush than I am from Cheney. Of course, if Cheney's book comes out first, this might inspire Bush to get more honest.

    Every time something new is revealed about what really went on behind-the-scenes at the Bush White House, I'm never surprised.

    Cheney comes off in some ways as the Jack Nicholson character in A Few Good Men -- he wants so bad to tell people what he did and why he did it. I'm hoping his editor and advisors don't hold him back. Let the chips fall where they may.
    Cheney is turning on Bush now because the public is about to turn on Cheney. Bait and evade, typical tactics of the GOP. Fact is, if they are both guilty, then it doesn't matter who is mad at who, they are going to go down.

    And I don't care about his book. We already spent eight years being lied to, I don't need to read a revisionist tale that is an attempt to vindicate himself of wrongdoing.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    i changed the subject from mr libby and ms plame and mr prosecutor, ie, from ancient history, to today

    cuz today is all that ever really matters

    and today what's really significant, you silly obsessor, is HEALTH CARE

    hello

    and when bill clinton tells the left wing of his own party

    headed by howard dean, by the way

    that they better start getting ready for sell out city, suckers

    Party leaders prepare liberals to accept a health care reform deal - Chris Frates and Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

    (thanks, celticlord)

    well, it means something

    when durbin said what he said on cnn's king last sunday

    No. 2 Senate Democrat 'Open' to Health Care Bill With No Public Option - Political News - FOXNews.com

    that's when i, The profoundly experienced, prepared and prescient Prof, apprehended completely that the president had prospectively thrown up his palms

    (actually i've known since june 17)

    TheHill.com - Baucus to chop $600 billion from healthcare bill

    ms mccaskill indicated as such in hillsboro tuesday (the poor lady, did you see? ripped to pieces by a pack)

    mr baucus has been beating around that bush since mid june

    daschle declared it in undeniable detail the day before

    Daschle Urges Obama To Drop Federal Public Health Care Plan

    it is of extreme interest to astute observers that president obama in grand junction said this very afternoon---"if there's a public option or if there's not a public option..."

    "the public option is just a small sliver of what we're talking about"

    what do you think that indicates

    it's 100 times more salient than scooter

    and 10000000000 times more fascinating even than MY scintillating syntax, mesmerizing musings

    you're being absurd in even lowering yourself to discuss me at all

    because i do not matter

    when ms deparle (she matters), white house office of health reform, said (aug 7) the white house was willing to look at co op's as proxy for public option...

    The Washington Independent White House Open to Co-ops in Lieu of Public Option

    well, there ya go

    what i was really saying subliminally cuz it was so obvious to people, i thought, half my age is---

    you can go ahead and parse 2004 all over again and ms plame and her vanity fair article

    or you can completely waste your time examing my inimitable mode (LOL!)

    but the only thing that really matters to mature americans are today and the important and the relevant and the issues of our times

    and other highly happenin hypostases like that

    health care's dead, at least as obama contemplated it

    as far as late august, 2009 is concerned, mr fitzgerald might as well be too

    and as for MY style---LOLOLOLOL!

    my own mother doesn't give a damn

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    His posts are a bit...random. Either that, or he's trying to change the subject.

    The ball was in his court when it was his turn to defend his argument. His response?



    A couple posts later, and we find him talking nonsense. A few posts after that he's started taking shots at Obama. Intelligence? Fact based arguments? Please.

    EDIT: And I'm the one ignoring the oppositions points and argument.
    you had to edit that?

    LOL!

    when my correspondent came back with---the prosecutor TRIED to get someone for outing poor mrs what's-her-plame---he as much as conceded failure, did he not?

    i'd be surprised the point requires spelling out, but i'm a teacher, i've seen it all

    so, just for you:

    L-O-L!

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Cheney is turning on Bush now because the public is about to turn on Cheney. Bait and evade, typical tactics of the GOP. Fact is, if they are both guilty, then it doesn't matter who is mad at who, they are going to go down.
    they already went down, last november

    that's why they don't signify, they're history, they're losers

    all that really matters TODAY is obama and what he's trying to do

    but he's failed so fast, fallen so far

    his entire agenda is dead

    losers, reversals, dead letters and false steps---cap and trade, the public option, personal diplomacy with iran, blaming bush, prosecuting cheney, investigating "torture," closing gitmo, paygo, cutting the deficit in half, the stimuli, the cars takeover, reaching out to rogues and runts, bailouts and bonuses for bagmen and bums, ending rendition, ending detention, reversing the patriot act, ending don't ask don't tell, ending earmarks, putting legislation online, public finance of campaign, not hiring lobbyists, taxing benefits (the mccain plan), taxing those under 250G, deficits at 12.65% of gdp...

    a legacy of futility and frustration so far reaching nothing remains

    what's left to try for?

    minimum wage?

    simplifying the tax code?

    the hysterically historic obama is ALREADY IRRELEVANT

    and he had it ALL

    SIXTY senators, a self confessedly THRILLED media, a whole world hi 5'ing...

    fastest LOSER in american history

    most INCOMPETENT pol at the national level america has ever seen

    no spin---he's THAT bad

    not to change the subject away from more pertinent problems

    like bob novak and yellowcake

    LOLOL!

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Always funny

    the "Internets" is

    how all sorts of crazies

    use the freedoms to let loose

    the dogs of insanity.

    Since we get no

    Death Panels I cry,

    can we at least get better funding

    for our degrading educational system.

    Maybe then, some will learn to write

    a coherent sentence, and just maybe

    with practice, someday a complete paragraph.

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    My opinion is that GW Bush has always been the "Class Clown", not too serious fun loving man of mediocre intelligence. His religious beliefs & dislike of rules in general, (especially if they are imposed by government) made him ill suited to be President & therefore a real disaster for this country in his attempts to dismantle constitutional checks & balances of which he had little understand & no respect. (I do feel however, that GW took office intending to take down Saddam Hussein at all costs to avenge the alleged threat against his father)

    Dick Cheney is a smart, ruthless man who sees everything in strict black & white & may well have been the more "Evil" of the two..
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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    He needs to go back to his super secret cave. That man is evil.
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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    He needs to go back to his super secret cave. That man is evil.

    I have a wall just perfect for an autographed license plate made & signed by Cheney. (prisoner # 324727)

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    Re: Cheney Uncloaks His Frustration With Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    when my correspondent came back with---the prosecutor TRIED to get someone for outing poor mrs what's-her-plame---he as much as conceded failure, did he not?
    Fitz couldn't charge anyone for outing Plame because Libby obstructed the investigation. Why are you having such a hard time with this? Maybe you should read and understand people's arguments before responding to them, huh?

    You dismissed my post out of hand because it's too complex and "boring" for you and your hypotheteical jury, and you mislabeled it as circular reasoning because you obviously don't have the first clue what that means, yet you still pretend to understand the argument and somehow think you refuted it. What kind of sense does that make? Some intellectual honesty and effort on your part would be nice.

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