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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    Yelling at a civil meeting is in fact unamerican. Is that even arguable?
    No, it isn't. It's a distinctly American tradition. Read your history. Hell, yelling is MINOR. You used to get shot in the U.S. for political disagreements. Several of our founding fathers fought duels.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    then lets resolve them...not yell at a meeting where we are discussing in fact resolution....
    Exactly. Let the process proceed without interruption. Let the protestors learn to speak in turn.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    No, it isn't. It's a distinctly American tradition. Read your history. Hell, yelling is MINOR. You used to get shot in the U.S. for political disagreements. Several of our founding fathers fought duels.


    and owned slaves - is that american too?

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    There is no plan C, either families make the decisions, or the government does.
    or the patient and the doctor discuss it
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    If that is HER choice and SHE has paid for it; yes.
    You do understand how insurance works, right? You pay your monthly amount, and other people put into the pot, and it's calculated on the costs and risks of the whole?

    So, no, Granny isn't likely paying for that expensive surgery. WE ALL ARE. And yeah, I feel like I should have a say in the matter. Particularly when the system is on the verge of bankruptcy, and it may deprive my child, who has a good 90 years ahead of him, of a necessary procedure.

    We can't do everything for everyone. That's why we're in the mess we are right now.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    or the patient and the doctor discuss it
    Yes, they discuss it, but the decision should be solely up to the person it affects, or their family.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    and owned slaves - is that american too?
    Apples and oranges. This country was founded on vehement and robust political dissent and civil disobedience. That's why the protections of such actions are encoded into our constitution and bill of rights.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    too many americans are misinformed, because their "facts" come from RW talking points. i would love to see one of those backed against the wall and forced to voice their objections concretely. won't happen, of course.
    The misinformation is coming from this administration. The efforts of OTHERS to voice their opinion are an attempt to get at the TRUTH.

    Fact; Governments will limit care more so than private insurance companies.

    Fact; Medicare will be rolled into the Government plan and the costs for adding the presumed 45 million uninsured to Government rolls will cost far in excess of the fabricated numbers being used by the Obama administration.

    Fact; Democrats want to ADD illegal immigrants to the coverage.

    Fact; This administration is lying to the American people when it claims that they do not want to take away private health insurance; the Government option will undermine and undercut private insurance companies and the requirements will force them out of business because they cannot compete with the Governments ability to print money and tax and spend.

    Fact; Government programs lead to shortages of drugs and specialists and lead to long waiting times; some of which end up in the death of the patient waiting for critical operations.

    What is amazing to me is to see so many willing lemmings that under the previous administration trusted NO one in Government now slavishly wallowing in their talking points.

    Becoming a WARD of the state should strike fear into anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Fact; Governments will limit care more so than private insurance companies.
    The simpe fact is that it may need to be limited in order for us to avoid bankrupting the entire healthcare system.

    Fact; Democrats want to ADD illegal immigrants to the coverage.
    I have to agree with you on this one, and it's b.s.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You do understand how insurance works, right? You pay your monthly amount, and other people put into the pot, and it's calculated on the costs and risks of the whole?
    Yes, that is how it works, roughly, but your premiums, and other premiums are not the sole funding mechanism of the insurance pool, as well, you don't get an "equal" share of the pool, it exists for when you need it.

    So, no, Granny isn't likely paying for that expensive surgery. WE ALL ARE. And yeah, I feel like I should have a say in the matter. Particularly when the system is on the verge of bankruptcy, and it may deprive my child, who has a good 90 years ahead of him, of a necessary procedure.
    First, "Granny" is most likely in the Medicare system, at least parts A & B, and she probably has supplemental, which would mean she isn't in the same pool that your family is in. Secondly, if "Granny" was in the same pool, for the most part, because of her advanced age she is probably paying a higher premium than your entire family and possibly a higher deductible. Third, you all have access to the risk pool, which means that the operation for "Granny" does not deprive your family of any necessary procedures, a doctor padding a bill with an unnecessary test, or who is not concerned enough to justify a test that looked like he was padding a bill would though. So no, it isn't your call exactly, sorry if I sound harsh.

    We can't do everything for everyone. That's why we're in the mess we are right now.
    Oh it goes beyond that, the government has been screwing the health industry for over a century incrimentally in this country, we have a combination of more grandiose overregulation and the accumulative effect of the more minor ones creating this horrid mess we're in today.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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