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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    Clearly you've never been to New Jersey.




    It would be nice if the Obama administration actually encouraged that of the other side.
    Hey, I grew up in Brooklyn. I know all about rudeness. I'm talking about being so loud and disruptive that the whole meeting is derailed.

    That's not fair to all members of the community who attend these meetings and citizens who watch them on television.

    I can't stand seeing people lose it to rudeness and talk over others. Save that stuff for the tavern.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

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    This is probably the wrong place for me to mention that I have a total girl crush on Ms. Claire, and follow her on twitter. OMG, I love her.
    You have GOT to be kidding!

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Fine. I understand that. Except I have to pay for it. Maybe you can pay higher premiums for that. Because it's clearly not working now. Or, of course, pay cash for whatever you want done. That seems reasonable, right? If you want to spend $500,000 to keep granny alive and drooling for 6 more months, go ahead. But keep my wallet out of it.
    That's actually quite minor when weighted against most of the other problems, we pay more for our insurance because of mandatory ER treatment(abused frequently, most expensive care), tort law induced over testing, bill padding over testing, sky high malpractice insurance costs, overregulation, and mandatory coverage laws in every state, those are the real problems of the system, especially when you add in end of life care.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    ---Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'---

    They are protesting the democratic process. They are going to forums and disrupting a democratic civil debate. WHY NOT DEBATE the issues. Fine, protest the health care plan, but lets talk about why. You don't have to yell, bring guns, draw swastikas on congressmen's signs, or protest a meeting. Town hall meetings are A FORUM FOR DEBATE. Yelling at a civil meeting is in fact unamerican. Is that even arguable?

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    Hey, I grew up in Brooklyn. I know all about rudeness. I'm talking about being so loud and disruptive that the whole meeting is derailed.

    That's not fair to all members of the community who attend these meetings and citizens who watch them on television.

    I can't stand seeing people lose it to rudeness and talk over others. Save that stuff for the tavern.
    You're talking about two separate things. You called this behavior "un-American." And yet, this behavior has existed in American politics for 250+ years.

    Now, you've shifted to "it's not fair." Well, boo-de-fricking hoo. That's in the eye of the beholder and is an entirely subjective concept.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That's actually quite minor when weighted against most of the other problems, we pay more for our insurance because of mandatory ER treatment(abused frequently, most expensive care), tort law induced over testing, bill padding over testing, sky high malpractice insurance costs, overregulation, and mandatory coverage laws in every state, those are the real problems of the system, especially when you add in end of life care.
    I don't think that ANYONE is debating that all of these issues need to be resolved.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    ---Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'---

    They are protesting the democratic process. They are going to forums and disrupting a democratic civil debate. WHY NOT DEBATE the issues. Fine, protest the health care plan, but lets talk about why. You don't have to yell, bring guns, draw swastikas on congressmen's signs, or protest a meeting. Town hall meetings are A FORUM FOR DEBATE. Yelling at a civil meeting is in fact unamerican. Is that even arguable?
    Bingo. Well stated.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You have GOT to be kidding!
    I never kid about my girl crushes. Claire rocks. She's such a total Missouri girl.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    then lets resolve them...not yell at a meeting where we are discussing in fact resolution....

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Does anyone here really support heart valve replacement for a woman who is 101 years old?
    If that is HER choice and SHE has paid for it; yes.

    No one else should be making a life or death decision for anyone other than that person and perhaps their doctor. The notion that some faceless panel will deny services to save a buck is a frightening prospect.

    I am not suggesting this is in the "plan," it is a possible outcome when Governments attempt to reign in costs when they begin, and they will, spiraling out of control.

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