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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Right now, they're being made by insurance companies. Do you really think the government would be more heartless? Setting parameters on what kinds of care can be paid for, and what can't, through insurance policies, is going to have to happen, one way or another.

    And the doctors aren't going to be the ones to decide, regardless.

    If families want extreme measures, they should be prepared to pay for them.

    It stinks that doctors likely won't. They seem the best qualified. They know what the patient has. They know what the outcome will likely be. They know the quality of life issues. And they know the cost. Let them work with insurance companies to say, "it's cash". No medicare, medicaid or other insurance if you want us to do brain surgery after granny's 10th stroke. It's going to cost $100,000, her brain is already gone and she'll be dead within months. Cash or charge?
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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Right now, they're being made by insurance companies. Do you really think the government would be more heartless?
    This is a dodge.
    Do you or do you not REALLY trust the government to make those decisions?

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    Rudeness is not representative of American values.
    Clearly you've never been to New Jersey.


    Free speech is, which is allowing all to speak and voice their opinons free of intimidatation.
    It would be nice if the Obama administration actually encouraged that of the other side.
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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Right now, they're being made by insurance companies.
    Not exactly, coverage is stated in writing at the onset of the policy, companies legally must state what they do and don't cover, problems arise when doctors order tests that companies deem unnecessary, that does happen, and unfortunately everyone suffers for that.
    Do you really think the government would be more heartless?
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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I don't agree that anyone but the family should make that call with one exception, if the person is still mentally stable and has some qualtiy of life.
    Fine. I understand that. Except I have to pay for it. Maybe you can pay higher premiums for that. Because it's clearly not working now. Or, of course, pay cash for whatever you want done. That seems reasonable, right? If you want to spend $500,000 to keep granny alive and drooling for 6 more months, go ahead. But keep my wallet out of it.
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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    Obama considers that a mandate.
    Of course, since it's based on George Bush's definition of a mandate. According to GWB, 51% is a mandate.

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    Bush claims mandate, sets 2nd-term goals / 'I earned capital in this campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it'

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Of course, since it's based on George Bush's definition of a mandate. According to GWB, 51% is a mandate.
    The statement was made in the context of someone (a The Obama supporter) claiming that 53% isnt a majority.

    You DO agree that 53% is a majority, yes?

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    Rudeness is not representative of American values. Free speech is, which is allowing all to speak and voice their opinons free of intimidatation.
    You need to read up a little bit on our history. Americans used to kill each other over political insults. See: Alexander Hamilton.

    Rudeness at public meetings is a well-established American tradition, though we don't do it as well as the Brits, who routinely throw rotten produce.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is a dodge.
    Do you or do you not REALLY trust the government to make those decisions?
    I trust them as much as I trust insurance companies.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    It stinks that doctors likely won't. They seem the best qualified. They know what the patient has. They know what the outcome will likely be. They know the quality of life issues. And they know the cost. Let them work with insurance companies to say, "it's cash". No medicare, medicaid or other insurance if you want us to do brain surgery after granny's 10th stroke. It's going to cost $100,000, her brain is already gone and she'll be dead within months. Cash or charge?
    On the other hand, it goes without saying that an unscrupulous doctor could have a financial advantage in prologuing life or performing extreme measures. In my opinion, these lines need to be drawn, sooner rather than later, and they need to be drawn by a mixed bag of government, insurance companies, and doctors, with patient advocate representatives.

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