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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So then, who does?
    Under The Obama's plan, the government does.
    Under the current system, families do. That's not working, either. Let's move to Plan C.
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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    too many americans are misinformed, because their "facts" come from RW talking points. i would love to see one of those backed against the wall and forced to voice their objections concretely. won't happen, of course.
    Care to back that up? You may want to start by stating what mis-information you are alluding to, since nobody pushing for this turd of a bill seems to be able to dispel the info with anything other than saying it's mis-information and right-wing talking points.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    In what world does 53% not equal "most"?
    Obama considers that a mandate.
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    You guys are weird.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Under the current system, families do. That's not working, either. Let's move to Plan C.
    There is no plan C, either families make the decisions, or the government does.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    But then... so what?
    So that is not how Rev represented what he is saying. He was not talking about people against the bill, but those disrupting meetings.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    There is no plan C, either families make the decisions, or the government does.
    How about a panel of physicians working under established guidelines about end of life care? Or a panel of doctors working with the insurance company to exclude certain coverage? If you want a valve replacement on a 101 year-old woman you pay cash. Whatever Plan C is, it's better than A or B. Families making those decisions clearly is not working. And no one trusts the government to do it. Physicians take an oath to look out after the best interests of their patients. Sometimes that may mean not treating them.
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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'll ask again:
    Do you REALLY trust the government to make those decisions?
    REALLY?
    Right now, they're being made by insurance companies. Do you really think the government would be more heartless? Setting parameters on what kinds of care can be paid for, and what can't, through insurance policies, is going to have to happen, one way or another.

    And the doctors aren't going to be the ones to decide, regardless.

    If families want extreme measures, they should be prepared to pay for them.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    How about a panel of physicians working under established guidelines about end of life care? Or a panel of doctors working with the insurance company to exclude certain coverage? If you want a valve replacement on a 101 year-old woman you pay cash. Whatever Plan C is, it's better than A or B. Families making those decisions clearly is not working. And no one trusts the government to do it. Physicians take an oath to look out after the best interests of their patients. Sometimes that may mean not treating them.
    I don't agree that anyone but the family should make that call with one exception, if the person is still mentally stable and has some qualtiy of life. I would never let a stranger make decisions on my life if given the choice, hell, I would fight any efforts to take that choice away from myself or those that care about me, if I am dying, it is my family's call alone, unless I've made a living will, if a doctor suggested his opinion to end life on behalf of my loved ones I'd probably hurt him to be honest, as it's none of his business.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Rudeness is not representative of American values. Free speech is, which is allowing all to speak and voice their opinons free of intimidatation.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Under the current system, families do. That's not working, either. Let's move to Plan C.
    Which is...?

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