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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    [quote=Councilman;1058187825]
    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post

    Perhaps this is what you were eluding to.
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    I don't want to sound harsh, but one thing that we need to figure out in America is not if we CAN take extreme measures to preserve life, but if we SHOULD. There are a lot of expensive procedures performed on seniors and preemies, and other groups, and the fact of the matter is that we are all paying for them, in one form or another.

    And life isn't mean to go on forever. Sometimes, the quality of life for someone after having these extreme life-preserving measures is really not good. Check out the research on preemies, for instance.

    Does anyone here really support heart valve replacement for a woman who is 101 years old?

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post

    I don't want to sound harsh, but one thing that we need to figure out in America is not if we CAN take extreme measures to preserve life, but if we SHOULD. There are a lot of expensive procedures performed on seniors and preemies, and other groups, and the fact of the matter is that we are all paying for them, in one form or another.

    And life isn't mean to go on forever. Sometimes, the quality of life for someone after having these extreme life-preserving measures is really not good. Check out the research on preemies, for instance.

    Does anyone here really support heart valve replacement for a woman who is 101 years old?
    Yes I do, if that person has a good quality of life and wants to live I absolutely support their decision, it should be between that person and their doctor.....alone, it isn't Obama's call, it isn't some government board's call, and it is no one else's business.
    Last edited by LaMidRighter; 08-12-09 at 12:48 PM.
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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you are saying most people support disrupting town hall meetings? Or did you misunderstand his point? Or, most likely, are you just misrepresenting what he said?

    I also noticed you did not include this quote from him:
    I am in favor of free speech. At the same time, to let all participants be heard, they can't be heard through screaming and interrupting someone who is already speaking. Rudeness is not helpful to intelligent discussion and debate. It's unskillful and polarizing.

    There is a way to let all be heard in an orderly manner. I'm into finding win win and not compromise situations.

    Negative feelings come from unmet needs. Marshall Rosenberg says he can resolve a conflict between any two parties in twenty minutes once both sides can articulate their needs and the needs of the other side.
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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes, that is what I am saying, and what he said. People disrupting meetings is not representative of America. Thank you.
    But then... so what?

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    [quote=Catz Part Deux;1058187837]
    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post

    I don't want to sound harsh, but one thing that we need to figure out in America is not if we CAN take extreme measures to preserve life, but if we SHOULD. There are a lot of expensive procedures performed on seniors and preemies, and other groups, and the fact of the matter is that we are all paying for them, in one form or another.

    And life isn't mean to go on forever. Sometimes, the quality of life for someone after having these extreme life-preserving measures is really not good. Check out the research on preemies, for instance.

    Does anyone here really support heart valve replacement for a woman who is 101 years old?
    Particularly considering end of life care is a massive drain on the system. End of life means just that. My mom used to work at a geriatric nursing home. I used to go there after school to await my ride home. The number of people who were already dead (i.e. an unrecoverable mere shadow of themselves) was incredible. And keeping them alive drooling is very, very expensive for the system. Frankly, some life is not worth saving. That may may sound cold, but it's also true.
    Wow. Am I awesome or what?

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Particularly considering end of life care is a massive drain on the system. End of life means just that. My mom used to work at a geriatric nursing home. I used to go there after school to await my ride home. The number of people who were already dead (i.e. an unrecoverable mere shadow of themselves) was incredible. And keeping them alive drooling is very, very expensive for the system. Frankly, some life is not worth saving. That may may sound cold, but it's also true.
    I'll ask again:
    Do you REALLY trust the government to make those decisions?
    REALLY?

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post

    Particularly considering end of life care is a massive drain on the system. End of life means just that. My mom used to work at a geriatric nursing home. I used to go there after school to await my ride home. The number of people who were already dead (i.e. an unrecoverable mere shadow of themselves) was incredible. And keeping them alive drooling is very, very expensive for the system. Frankly, some life is not worth saving. That may may sound cold, but it's also true.
    While I agree when there is no quality of life a person's family should re-evaluate their choices in life support, and end of life care, but the woman's mother that is the focus had all of her faculties, was completely coherent, and met none of the criteria for disablility or LTC, thus Obama's answer was cold.
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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'll ask again:
    Do you REALLY trust the government to make those decisions?
    REALLY?
    When did I ever say I did? I don't trust families to do it either!
    Wow. Am I awesome or what?

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    When did I ever say I did? I don't trust families to do it either!
    So then, who does?
    Under The Obama's plan, the government does.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    too many americans are misinformed, because their "facts" come from RW talking points. i would love to see one of those backed against the wall and forced to voice their objections concretely. won't happen, of course.

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