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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Quote a little more surrounding it please, but it should be the patient in consultation with the doctor decides. In other words, a patient can decide against some measures to sustain life, which I personally would choose to do. If I am going to die anyway, just make me as comfortable as possible and let me die, don't put me on life support or such.


    here is where I got it from


    Health Care Bill Page 425 - The Truth


    What we can agree on, I hope, is there are a lot of questions....
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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Quote a little more surrounding it please, but it should be the patient in consultation with the doctor decides. In other words, a patient can decide against some measures to sustain life, which I personally would choose to do. If I am going to die anyway, just make me as comfortable as possible and let me die, don't put me on life support or such.
    People already do end of life counseling, routinely, when they have medical care. It's called a living will. I chose to sign one when I gave birth to my son (because I had surgery at the same time). Such counseling is routine even when you have relatively minor surgery.

    My parents did this ten years ago, we had to go in and sign that we would serve as their decision-makers (my brother and I did) if something incapacitated them, because my mom and dad do not want their lives prolongued through artificial measures. Most people don't.

    Don't you people remember the Terry Schiavo debacle?

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

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    Nope, one final bill will be passed based upon the three options, and the one that I am hearing most is for the government plan, which has attrocious pitfalls written into it.



    There is already a proposal for a federal soda tax to patially fund this bill, furthermore, the bill can state whatever it will, the facts are if the government is paying it can deny payments to whatever it deems appropriate and you cannot sue the federal government for damages. If a doctor deems a surgery necessary it may happen.....when the government clears for said surgery to be paid for, thus, the final decision would be with the fed.



    The problem with us laughing about it is that these idiots in Washington are trying to pass this thing off as some kind of miracle plan, a solve-all if you will, and the reality is it is so loaded that it will undoubtedly create more damage than solutions.
    The federal soda tax bill has like, zero support and is already basically dead. Obama's lead legal advisor was a guest on NPR yesterday afternoon and admitted that the government option would most likely be dropped in favor of co-ops, as long as the provision to end refusal of coverage for pre-existing conditions was included.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    here is where I got it from


    Health Care Bill Page 425 - The Truth


    What we can agree on, I hope, is there are a lot of questions....
    I read your link, as well as the actual bill, though I must mention that this is only one of three, and nowhere does the bill say "must", "compelled", or "mandatory." It only states that physicians should make individuals aware that POA, and other decisions should be considered in case the patient is unable to make determinations about healthcare choices.

    I do agree there are many questions, but the biggest deal with this legislation is the fearmongering and lies being used to derail it and maintain the status quo.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    here is where I got it from


    Health Care Bill Page 425 - The Truth


    What we can agree on, I hope, is there are a lot of questions....
    Ok got it.

    (B) The level of treatment indicated under subparagraph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treatment to an indication to limit some or all or specified interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may include indications respecting, among other items—

    This means you can opt for full treatment, or less than full treatment in advance, in consultation with your doctor. You get to choose.

    (i) the intensity of medical intervention if the patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac or pulmonary problems;

    This means you can give a DNR(DO Not Resuscitate) order or similar instruction.

    It's a delineation of choices you can make in a "Living Will". It continues:

    (ii) the individual’s desire regarding transfer to a hospital or remaining at the current care setting;

    (iii) the use of antibiotics; and

    (iv) the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration.

    I don't see these questions you see in this area. Setting up a Living Will or Care plan is a good thing.
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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    So, basically, the same factors that are already taken into consideration whenever you have any medical procedure in a hospital...

    I'm scared! Hold me, Redress! Obama is trying to KILL ME!

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It doesn't stop them from trying and fighting tooth and nail to protect their corporate profits and dividends.

    As I said....Healthcare reform is going to pass. Just like you said....ultimately the GOP is too powerless to stop it.
    You'd better hurry. Obama's at 47 percent and plummeting, and 2010 is around the corner.

    This could be worse than '94 was for Clinton.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post

    The federal soda tax bill has like, zero support and is already basically dead.
    Basically dead isn't dead, and these same representatives had the idea to begin with, that should show us where they are at.
    Obama's lead legal advisor was a guest on NPR yesterday afternoon and admitted that the government option would most likely be dropped in favor of co-ops, as long as the provision to end refusal of coverage for pre-existing conditions was included.
    Think about it, how many people are going to take the "no pre-existing conditions" option, it's untenable and those thugs know it. That would be like asking me if I'd rather be stabbed in the kidney or have my arm broken.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Basically dead isn't dead, and these same representatives had the idea to begin with, that should show us where they are at. Think about it, how many people are going to take the "no pre-existing conditions" option, it's untenable and those thugs know it. That would be like asking me if I'd rather be stabbed in the kidney or have my arm broken.
    So you think that people should be denied for pre-existing conditions? Back in the 90's, when Clinton attempted healthcare overhaul, the insurance companies said they were all for getting rid of the pre-existing condition exemptions in insurance, yet after the effort died they never looked back and still will not cover those with pre-existing conditions.

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