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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    So what you're saying is that public meetings with elected officials should be conducted precisely according to whatever the politician wants to say, and the serfs should say nothing and applaud when ordered to.

    Unless it's a Republican politician.
    They deserve to be heard but they shouldn't be stopping other people from being heard.
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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post

    I don't want to sound harsh, but one thing that we need to figure out in America is not if we CAN take extreme measures to preserve life, but if we SHOULD. There are a lot of expensive procedures performed on seniors and preemies, and other groups, and the fact of the matter is that we are all paying for them, in one form or another.

    And life isn't mean to go on forever. Sometimes, the quality of life for someone after having these extreme life-preserving measures is really not good. Check out the research on preemies, for instance.

    Does anyone here really support heart valve replacement for a woman who is 101 years old?
    How about someone 91 years old...

    or 81...

    or 71...

    or 61...

    or 51...

    Where are YOU going to draw the line, and what gives YOU that right?

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    All of these arguments are false. The healthcare bill has none of the things conservatives say it does. The government does not make any calls on a persons health decisions, that is between the patient and doctor. As I have mentioned many times, all that is happening here is the same old misleading campaignes that cost the GOP elections. Hopefully you guys will stay on the same path and we can replace the last, what, 10.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    All of these arguments are false. The healthcare bill has none of the things conservatives say it does. The government does not make any calls on a persons health decisions, that is between the patient and doctor. As I have mentioned many times, all that is happening here is the same old misleading campaignes that cost the GOP elections. Hopefully you guys will stay on the same path and we can replace the last, what, 10.



    Really? isn't there mandatory counseling for all seniors at a minimum of every five years?
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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Really? isn't there mandatory counseling for all seniors at a minimum of every five years?
    AS I understand it, the government will pay for the counseling, but it's not mandatory.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    All of these arguments are false. The healthcare bill has none of the things conservatives say it does.
    Actually, the amount of gray area in alot of the plan allows enough wiggle room for exactly what conservatives are warning against. First off, the statement that you can keep your coverage is false, the congress has written into the legislation stating that if the provision is passed, new applications cannot be written once the bill is signed, so if an employer drops group, then people would have to join the government plan, second, the requirement for coverage, this would force uninsured to join the government plan, then, what if private companies cannot afford to compete with the "not-for-profit" system and fold, then......etc. This is true, and quite possible.
    The government does not make any calls on a persons health decisions, that is between the patient and doctor.
    Wrong, tobacco taxes, soda taxes, other "sin" taxes, if the government is paying, they can tell you which doctors you may see or they don't pay. Also, since the government would be paying, they could tell you what behaviors put you on which tier regardless of the critical nature of your needs, and, the national health database would allow anyone making payment decisions access to your medical files, so yes, it does give government alot of control of your health decisions.
    As I have mentioned many times, all that is happening here is the same old misleading campaignes that cost the GOP elections. Hopefully you guys will stay on the same path and we can replace the last, what, 10.
    Tl, it's not that simple.
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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Really? isn't there mandatory counseling for all seniors at a minimum of every five years?
    No, not MANDATORY, optional. And the counseling is nothing more than advising seniors to appoint power of attorney, hospice,...etc. Further, this counseling is supported by every medical association in the country. Oh, and it is covered once for every five years, if people want to change all of their decisions, then they will have to pay if they do it before the five year period, unless in cases of loss of spouse and then it would be covered for changing POA over to a child/relative.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

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    Actually, the amount of gray area in alot of the plan allows enough wiggle room for exactly what conservatives are warning against. First off, the statement that you can keep your coverage is false, the congress has written into the legislation stating that if the provision is passed, new applications cannot be written once the bill is signed, so if an employer drops group, then people would have to join the government plan, second, the requirement for coverage, this would force uninsured to join the government plan, then, what if private companies cannot afford to compete with the "not-for-profit" system and fold, then......etc. This is true, and quite possible.
    False, there are three separate plans right now and only ONE has a government plan. The other two, which are much more likely to pass have state co-ops that are not federally ran at all.

    Wrong, tobacco taxes, soda taxes, other "sin" taxes, if the government is paying, they can tell you which doctors you may see or they don't pay. Also, since the government would be paying, they could tell you what behaviors put you on which tier regardless of the critical nature of your needs, and, the national health database would allow anyone making payment decisions access to your medical files, so yes, it does give government alot of control of your health decisions.
    Read the bills, there is no such power of the government to make such decisions, all three bills state that coverage cannot be denied for any reason and that medical decisions will be made between patient and doctor. Also, states are the biggest propagators of sin taxes, not the federal government.

    Tl, it's not that simple.
    Of course it isn't, but nor is it an evil government plot to control the citizens!!!!SPOOKY
    Last edited by tlmorg02; 08-13-09 at 09:59 AM.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    They deserve to be heard but they shouldn't be stopping other people from being heard.
    I agree with this.

    I make no claim about who is "representative" of America or not, nor do I care.

    If you value your free speech, then you must also be willing to let others speak. Shouting to drown out another's voice, especially in a town hall meeting which is meant for people to discuss things civily, is just rude and distasteful.

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    Re: Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    AS I understand it, the government will pay for the counseling, but it's not mandatory.



    Does the fact that we have had cases in washington and Oregon where the state run medical system has refused medication and instea offered euthinasia?


    Combine that with some of the language in this bill, Is it not something.... (take outthe inflammatory "death councils") we need to look at and be concerned about?
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