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    Wider Role Is Seen for Rove in Firings of Prosecutors

    Transcripts of their testimony — including many instances in which the two aides said they could not remember important details of the debate over the United States attorneys — were among the materials released Tuesday by the House Judiciary Committee.


    A lawyer for Mr. Rove could not be reached for comment immediately after the release of the documents.

    The e-mail messages, in particular, raise questions about the Bush White House’s assertion that it played only a limited role in the firings. A federal prosecutor is continuing to investigation accusations that officials may have acted criminally in the firings or in their testimony to Congress about the incident, which led to the resignation of former Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales and many of his top aides at the Justice Department.

    The Justice Department has been sitting on top of some pretty explosive documents for quite a while. Today, those documents were released, and they show that Karl Rove had an active role in the firing of US Attorneys. In the case of David Iglesias, it was for not selectively prosecuting Democrats in New Mexico.

    Now there will be some who post that the attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President. However, that does not entitle the President or his staff to break the law. Selective prosecutions of one party DO violate the law, and it looks pretty clear that Iglesias refused to break the law by doing selective prosecutions, based on political affiliation. That lawbreaking translates right up the line to those who were attempting to get Iglesias to do the selective prosecutions - Namely, Karl Rove. But who didn't already know that?

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    Re: Wider Role Is Seen for Rove in Firings of Prosecutors

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The Justice Department has been sitting on top of some pretty explosive documents for quite a while. Today, those documents were released, and they show that Karl Rove had an active role in the firing of US Attorneys. In the case of David Iglesias, it was for not selectively prosecuting Democrats in New Mexico.

    Now there will be some who post that the attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President. However, that does not entitle the President or his staff to break the law. Selective prosecutions of one party DO violate the law, and it looks pretty clear that Iglesias refused to break the law by doing selective prosecutions, based on political affiliation. That lawbreaking translates right up the line to those who were attempting to get Iglesias to do the selective prosecutions - Namely, Karl Rove. But who didn't already know that?

    Article is here.

    If they push this, it will force the current AG to expalin why he refused to press charges against two Black Panthers who clearly violated the law at a polling house last year. I doubt he's going to put himself in that position.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Wider Role Is Seen for Rove in Firings of Prosecutors

    It's pretty clear that America has rejected the GOP politics of yester year. And, perhaps, that is not only because of the abuse of power and political shenanigans that became synonomous with the GOP during the Bush years but also because we seemed to have forgotten all about the democrat shenanigans 8-10 years preceeding.

    The call for Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld to have their head served on a platter is not much different than the crap we had to suffer back during the Newt Gengrich/Kenneth Starr years in their efforts to discredit the Clinton administration and disrupt the government, in general, all cloaked in the name of partisanship preference.

    Neither party lays claim to the moral highground. One has to ask what would motivate an individual to climb to such heights of power if they didn't intend on using and abusing it. Nobody buys the "to serve my country" reason for being in politics anymore.

    Republicans vs. Democrats. Bloods vs. Crips. No matter who gets the upperhand, they are all still scumbags in my opinion.

    I think that the efforts to hang Rove out to dry are just as futile as the Clinton witch hunt/crucifixion was. And it's all for naught.


    You can't get toothpaste back into the tube. I say we just save the millions and millions the govt. spends on these vendictive "get-backs" and spend it on our troops instead. True, justice has to be worth something. But I am somewhat skeptical and that, at the end of the day, only the lawyers will get anything of any value from it. The process can be stretched out far longer than our collective interest can stay interested. Millions of dollars later, nothing.

    Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Best just let sleeping dogs lie.
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    Re: Wider Role Is Seen for Rove in Firings of Prosecutors

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If they push this, it will force the current AG to expalin why he refused to press charges against two Black Panthers who clearly violated the law at a polling house last year. I doubt he's going to put himself in that position.
    Ah, the usual right wing tactic when caught doing something wrong...point to some one else.

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    Re: Wider Role Is Seen for Rove in Firings of Prosecutors

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ah, the usual right wing tactic when caught doing something wrong...point to some one else.
    As usual, the Leftist tactic, play by a double standard.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Wider Role Is Seen for Rove in Firings of Prosecutors

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As usual, the Leftist tactic, play by a double standard.
    Wrong. Check out my comments when the black panther story came out.

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    Re: Wider Role Is Seen for Rove in Firings of Prosecutors

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wrong. Check out my comments when the black panther story came out.
    Is it about you, or is it about the DoJ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Wider Role Is Seen for Rove in Firings of Prosecutors

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is it about you, or is it about the DoJ?
    I am a lefty, you said "lefty tactic".

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    Re: Wider Role Is Seen for Rove in Firings of Prosecutors

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    The call for Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld to have their head served on a platter is not much different than the crap we had to suffer back during the Newt Gengrich/Kenneth Starr years in their efforts to discredit the Clinton administration and disrupt the government, in general, all cloaked in the name of partisanship preference.
    You would be right, except that the violation of laws were a factor in both cases. Clinton was accused of sexual harassment. This matter pertains to accusations of obstruction of justice and violation of the Hatch Act. If and when government officials break the law, they should be held accountable, and when they are, it's not "partisanship preference" or discrediting the administration or disrupting the government, it's justice being served.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    You can't get toothpaste back into the tube. I say we just save the millions and millions the govt. spends on these vendictive "get-backs" and spend it on our troops instead. True, justice has to be worth something. But I am somewhat skeptical and that, at the end of the day, only the lawyers will get anything of any value from it. The process can be stretched out far longer than our collective interest can stay interested. Millions of dollars later, nothing.

    Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Best just let sleeping dogs lie.
    You might not care if government officials break the law, and you might prefer to sweep it under the rug like nothing happened, but I think accountability in the government is not something to trade away for convenience.
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    Re: Wider Role Is Seen for Rove in Firings of Prosecutors

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    You would be right, except that the violation of laws were a factor in both cases. Clinton was accused of sexual harassment. This matter pertains to accusations of obstruction of justice and violation of the Hatch Act. If and when government officials break the law, they should be held accountable, and when they are, it's not "partisanship preference" or discrediting the administration or disrupting the government, it's justice being served.


    You might not care if government officials break the law, and you might prefer to sweep it under the rug like nothing happened, but I think accountability in the government is not something to trade away for convenience.
    hear, hear

    As a Democratic voter I stopped trying to defend Clinton's actions after about five minutes. This did not mean that I approved of actions Republicans trying to run him out of office. I am sick of having him thrown in my face every time I complain of Republican corruption as if a little action on the side and lying about it was somehow worse than useless wars, domestic spying, or firing US attorneys for not playing ball. So for the record I am against any corruption no matter the party. I would call for the appropriate level of prosecution for any elected official no matter the party. Karl rove damaged the effectiveness of the DOJ by attempting to turn it into political tool and he deserves much jail time for that. It has been a long time but the DOJ should properly be apolitical, this does not mean hands off politicians or that prosecution of one is a purly political move. The fact that many think that going after Rove is a purely political ploy is just one indicator of how damaged the DOJ is and how far we have still to go to return it to the non partisan enforcer of law it should be.

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