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Obama it's the post office that's always having problems.

I'm only trying to help man. It's really damned hard on the eyes to try and decipher your posts.

IF you would turn

Those long chains of sentences into say

A paragraph with structure, you might get a few more people

Bothering to read what you have to say.

There IS an ignore feature on these forums...

Crap I tried it your way, but I don't do bullet points.



If you would turn those long chains of sentences into say a paragraph with structure, you might get a few more people bothering to read what you have to say, there IS an ignore feature on these forums... Crap I tried it your way, but I don't do bullet points.



Which is more readable?

the top is far more readable than the bottom

despite your unnatural breaks

a line should be a complete thought

very reader friendly format

thanks, friend, no big, either way

i take your advice in the spirit offered, from a friend

KICK OBAMA's BUTT, baby!

cliff
 
the top is far more readable than the bottom

despite your unnatural breaks

a line should be a complete thought

very reader friendly format

thanks, friend, no big, either way

i take your advice in the spirit offered, from a friend

KICK OBAMA's BUTT, baby!

cliff


Dear Prof you really should try

your hand at limericks say I

I bet you're a natural

'cause with you it's habitual

there's a thread in the basement, go apply
 
Do other countries have private letter mail delivery companies operating on a bulk model??

Cant think of one. Some have partly or/and are thinking of privatising old post companies, but the origins are public run postal service. In fact most countries have laws requiring the services of the postal system.. laws that go back a hundred years.
 
Let's please not buy into this false comparison of UPS, Fedex and the USPS.
It is a non uniform comparison, as the private carriers aren't allowed to deliver daily regular mail.

UPS and FedEx deliver packages heavier than the postal office is willing to, they also deliver world wide which the post office doesn't do.

Don't forget though that the post office outsources a ton of it's bulk mail to shipping companies and if your using the post office for over night or express delivery your really using FedEx.

Do other countries have private letter mail delivery companies operating on a bulk model??

Funny enough the U.S. had a few private bulk mail delivery services until the government decided they could force a monopoly.
 
Let's please not buy into this false comparison of UPS, Fedex and the USPS.
It is a non uniform comparison, as the private carriers aren't allowed to deliver daily regular mail.

UPS and FedEx deliver packages heavier than the postal office is willing to, they also deliver world wide which the post office doesn't do.

Don't forget though that the post office outsources a ton of it's bulk mail to shipping companies and if your using the post office for over night or express delivery your really using FedEx.



Funny enough the U.S. had a few private bulk mail delivery services until the government decided they could force a monopoly.

interesting. who?
 
Let's please not buy into this false comparison of UPS, Fedex and the USPS.
It is a non uniform comparison, as the private carriers aren't allowed to deliver daily regular mail.

UPS and FedEx deliver packages heavier than the postal office is willing to, they also deliver world wide which the post office doesn't do.

Don't forget though that the post office outsources a ton of it's bulk mail to shipping companies and if your using the post office for over night or express delivery your really using FedEx.



Funny enough the U.S. had a few private bulk mail delivery services until the government decided they could force a monopoly.


I hate to tell you this Harry but most of the mail from bulk mail facilities is delivered by private carriers, as are most RR delivers made up of private carriers.

Next time your on the road (interstates) and see a mail trailer, check out the tractor pulling it, odds are it will have a private label on the door.

When in the sticks check out the cars/suvs stuffing the mail into the RR boxes on the skinny roads in the less populated parts of our country. You will more than likely see a magnetic stick on sign on the door saying United States Mail, along with a wal-mart bought flashing yellow sign on the rear of the suv.
 
And if FedEx and UPS didn't have to compete against the postal service's prices, would shipping be as cheap as it is today?

UPS and FedEx Ground are better priced than USPS for most packages. Plus they actually guarantee overnight deliveries where the PO guarantees 2-3 delivery on its fastest service. There is no competition. Private companies blew away the USPS. Obama is right, but he hurt his own case. :doh
 
I hate to tell you this Harry but most of the mail from bulk mail facilities is delivered by private carriers, as are most RR delivers made up of private carriers.

Next time your on the road (interstates) and see a mail trailer, check out the tractor pulling it, odds are it will have a private label on the door.

Yep, that's what I said.

"Don't forget though that the post office outsources a ton of it's bulk mail to shipping companies"

That's part of why you can't make a uniform comparison of this to UHC competing with private insurance unless they are going to outsource their work to private companies.

When in the sticks check out the cars/suvs stuffing the mail into the RR boxes on the skinny roads in the less populated parts of our country. You will more than likely see a magnetic stick on sign on the door saying United States Mail, along with a wal-mart bought flashing yellow sign on the rear of the suv.

As far as rural route carriers go those are postal employees delivering in their own vehicles.
They get an additional stipend for doing so, at least the individuals who do it where I live do.

Private companies are not allowed, by law, to set up a private mail delivery service.
 
the post office is bankrupt, the post master general asked congress in january please to change the mandate that mail must be delivered 6 days a week

we need to consider cutting either saturdays or tuesdays, he testified

Mail Delivery Stamped Out 1 Day Per Week? - CBS News

this, despite an 1100% increase in the cost of a stamp in 45 years

very few commodities have known such severe and LONG RUNNING, even permanent inflation

the prez was an idiot to bring this up

the prez was a fool to stack that high school gym so blatantly

press secty gibbs this morning was asked FIVE questions about just why was the president's audience in portsmouth so dramatically different from all the other town halls we've witnessed

gibbs has a new kick---he's blaming "cable tv" quite often

"cable news food fight" was part of one of his answers this morning

he attacked "cable tv" twice yesterday

excuses are endless from these guys

also, "deathers" is a new term being tossed around by the health care crowd

chris matthews ran a segment every day for two full weeks, he's absolutely obsessed with "birthers"

he'll almost surely be doing another today

he identifies birthers with the south, he keeps running this poll that shows few in the northeast, midwest and west believe the president was born in kenya, or wherever

but some 58% of dixie dudes and dude-ettes aren't sure barry is really red, white and blue

GOP and South vs. rest of the U.S. - First Read - msnbc.com

somehow, the birthers are morphing, in chrissy's excitable little mind, into plantation owning racists

y'know, mint julep sippers

it also has something to do with ms palin

exactly what, chrissy struggles to articulate clearly

but it does

you have to understand mr matthews, he's so prone to THRILL

i will never forget back during the 04 campaign---you surely remember the rumor that ran john mccain as john f kerry's veep candidate

the kerry/mccain ticket, vs bush/cheney (whom chrissy very pointedly pronounces, cheeney)

well, sure, it was a story, a rumor, a JUICY one, at that

kerry/mccain!

dream ticket, baby!

but chrissy devoted, everyday, literally for MONTHS, a segment to the cozy couple

chrissy SWOONS

he does it all the time

HA!

anyway, even HE, chris matthews, saw yesterday's portsmouth pratfall as what it was---a staged set-up

missed opportunity

and demonstration that the prez can't face what specter, dingell, mccaskill and all the others must endure

how do you think ms mccaskill feels about this?

she's gotta go out there and get gutted

while he prances all pretty in portsmouth before his gaping groupies

turning over our medical insurance to the govt, like the post office, is leaving our health care in the hands of the kind of people who run the dmv

good point, mr prez
 
interesting. who?

"The American Letter Mail Company was started by Lysander Spooner in 1844, competing with the legal monopoly of the United States Post Office (USPO) (now the USPS) in violation of the Private Express Statutes. It succeeded in delivering mail for lower prices, but the U.S. Government challenged Spooner with legal measures, eventually forcing him to cease operations in 1851."

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Letter_Mail_Company]American Letter Mail Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Lysander Spooner and the United States Postal Monopoly

"The Pony Express was a fast mail service crossing the North American continent from St. Joseph, Missouri, to Sacramento, California, from April 1860 to October 1861. It became the nation's most direct means of east-west communication before the telegraph and was vital for tying California closely with the Union just before the American Civil War."

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony_Express]Pony Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


There were others but that's a start.
History of mail delivery isn't all that interesting for most people.
 
Do other countries have private letter mail delivery companies operating on a bulk model??

I have no idea,if it works then good for them...I do not support privatizing all of our mail services,however it isnt being run very well and was a poor choice for Obama's arguement.
 
Funny enough the U.S. had a few private bulk mail delivery services until the government decided they could force a monopoly.

That doesn't answer my question. Furthermore, that issue has already been dissected. Is there any modern version operating in countries today that is profitable on a bulk model?
 
The U.S. postal service could solve all its problems by redlining obscure regions; just stop delivering mail to any area which isn't profitable.

There's an easier way that doesn't result in less service and provides for long term sustainability.

Reform its pension plan. UPS is saving bundles after it reformed its plan in 2007. I suspect FedEx has done the same long ago. Guess who's the odd man out on pension reform?

Seriously guys, cracking open financials results in a wealth of information. I know several posters here will never do it due to their inherent laziness, but that doesn't mean all of you have to be like them.
 
That doesn't answer my question. Furthermore, that issue has already been dissected. Is there any modern version operating in countries today that is profitable on a bulk model?

I've already shown that it can exist but here you go.

City Mail in Sweden and in Germany they have liberalized the postal monopoly to allow private operators, however, the national postal services have artificially low prices, making equitable competition difficult.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CityMail]Bring CityMail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_monopoly]German letter monopoly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
I've already shown that it can exist but here you go.

Not quite.

Merely existing does not equate to actually working well or being profitable.

What is CityMail's cost and profit for high volume, slow, low weight mailings? Looking at their site, they seem to be far more interested in the express and large packages, essentially what DHL, UPS and FedEx do.

The only real way to determine if they are actually a serious competition in high volume, slow, low weight mailings is to look at their volume by product as well as profit by product. Looking at their product listings, they seem to be much like UPS, handling shipping to communication to even warehousing and inventory control. That ain't the same thing as a bulk model high volume, slow, low weight mailings mail company.
 
Not quite.

Merely existing does not equate to actually working well or being profitable.

What is CityMail's cost and profit for high volume, slow, low weight mailings? Looking at their site, they seem to be far more interested in the express and large packages, essentially what DHL, UPS and FedEx do.

The only real way to determine if they are actually a serious competition in high volume, slow, low weight mailings is to look at their volume by product as well as profit by product. Looking at their product listings, they seem to be much like UPS, handling shipping to communication to even warehousing and inventory control. That ain't the same thing as a bulk model high volume, slow, low weight mailings mail company.

It has been shown to work, the only way that the post office still exists is because they have a monopoly.
I mean if it was the only way to deliver mail then why would they continue their hold on nearly the whole sector?

Your not going to find a lot of examples of these because 1. the government restricts these types of operations and 2. the government subsidies national postal services to the point were the price of postage is not an accurate reflection of the true cost.

This whole thing is kind of funny because Obama has inadvertently shown that government doesn't have to play by the same rules as private businesses do, thus causing them(private businesses) to fail by cheating them.

Your asking me to find something, that by law in most places, is illegal to exist.
 
Your not going to find a lot of examples of these because 1. the government restricts these types of operations and 2. the government subsidies national postal services to the point were the price of postage is not an accurate reflection of the true cost.

I'm not so sure about either of those. While you are correct that many places have monopolies, I find it hard to believe that every country in the world has such laws on its books and enforces it. Furthermore, the USPS service does not actually appear to subsidize to the point where true costs are not accurately reflected. Remember that the USPS actually made money for many years. If the true costs are subsidized, then we shouldn't see profits especially after you remove government allocations. Even more interesting is that they made money after massive pensions, which are in no way actual costs to delivering the current mail suggesting that if we remove those pension costs, actual costs are much, much lower.

The caveat to that is that the large parcel profits may be cross subsidized on the high volume, low weight direct mailings. That I need more data on.

This whole thing is kind of funny because Obama has inadvertently shown that government doesn't have to play by the same rules as private businesses do, thus causing them(private businesses) to fail by cheating them.

That argument is dependent upon actual cost per product data.
 
I'm not so sure about either of those. While you are correct that many places have monopolies, I find it hard to believe that every country in the world has such laws on its books and enforces it. Furthermore, the USPS service does not actually appear to subsidize to the point where true costs are not accurately reflected. Remember that the USPS actually made money for many years. If the true costs are subsidized, then we shouldn't see profits especially after you remove government allocations. Even more interesting is that they made money after massive pensions, which are in no way actual costs to delivering the current mail suggesting that if we remove those pension costs, actual costs are much, much lower.

The caveat to that is that the large parcel profits may be cross subsidized on the high volume, low weight direct mailings. That I need more data on.

Even though the post office isn't supposed to be subsidized anymore I'm finding hits on government appropriations to the post office in its budget.

I'm going to do more research on it later.
 
Even though the post office isn't supposed to be subsidized anymore I'm finding hits on government appropriations to the post office in its budget.

I'm going to do more research on it later.

2005 United States Postal Service Annual Report

Clearly the US government gave $3 billion, but that number didn't change for 3 years, signaling that no more money was given.

Also for 2007 there doesn't seem to be appropriations either.

USPS 2007 Annual Report - Balance Sheets - Liabilities and Net Capital

No 2008 financials up yet.
 
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