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    Re: Obama it's the post office that's always having problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Let's please not buy into this false comparison of UPS, Fedex and the USPS.
    It is a non uniform comparison, as the private carriers aren't allowed to deliver daily regular mail.

    UPS and FedEx deliver packages heavier than the postal office is willing to, they also deliver world wide which the post office doesn't do.

    Don't forget though that the post office outsources a ton of it's bulk mail to shipping companies and if your using the post office for over night or express delivery your really using FedEx.



    Funny enough the U.S. had a few private bulk mail delivery services until the government decided they could force a monopoly.

    I hate to tell you this Harry but most of the mail from bulk mail facilities is delivered by private carriers, as are most RR delivers made up of private carriers.

    Next time your on the road (interstates) and see a mail trailer, check out the tractor pulling it, odds are it will have a private label on the door.

    When in the sticks check out the cars/suvs stuffing the mail into the RR boxes on the skinny roads in the less populated parts of our country. You will more than likely see a magnetic stick on sign on the door saying United States Mail, along with a wal-mart bought flashing yellow sign on the rear of the suv.
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    Re: Obama it's the post office that's always having problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    And if FedEx and UPS didn't have to compete against the postal service's prices, would shipping be as cheap as it is today?
    UPS and FedEx Ground are better priced than USPS for most packages. Plus they actually guarantee overnight deliveries where the PO guarantees 2-3 delivery on its fastest service. There is no competition. Private companies blew away the USPS. Obama is right, but he hurt his own case.
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    Re: Obama it's the post office that's always having problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I hate to tell you this Harry but most of the mail from bulk mail facilities is delivered by private carriers, as are most RR delivers made up of private carriers.

    Next time your on the road (interstates) and see a mail trailer, check out the tractor pulling it, odds are it will have a private label on the door.
    Yep, that's what I said.

    "Don't forget though that the post office outsources a ton of it's bulk mail to shipping companies"

    That's part of why you can't make a uniform comparison of this to UHC competing with private insurance unless they are going to outsource their work to private companies.

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    When in the sticks check out the cars/suvs stuffing the mail into the RR boxes on the skinny roads in the less populated parts of our country. You will more than likely see a magnetic stick on sign on the door saying United States Mail, along with a wal-mart bought flashing yellow sign on the rear of the suv.
    As far as rural route carriers go those are postal employees delivering in their own vehicles.
    They get an additional stipend for doing so, at least the individuals who do it where I live do.

    Private companies are not allowed, by law, to set up a private mail delivery service.
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    Re: Obama it's the post office that's always having problems.

    the post office is bankrupt, the post master general asked congress in january please to change the mandate that mail must be delivered 6 days a week

    we need to consider cutting either saturdays or tuesdays, he testified

    Mail Delivery Stamped Out 1 Day Per Week? - CBS News

    this, despite an 1100% increase in the cost of a stamp in 45 years

    very few commodities have known such severe and LONG RUNNING, even permanent inflation

    the prez was an idiot to bring this up

    the prez was a fool to stack that high school gym so blatantly

    press secty gibbs this morning was asked FIVE questions about just why was the president's audience in portsmouth so dramatically different from all the other town halls we've witnessed

    gibbs has a new kick---he's blaming "cable tv" quite often

    "cable news food fight" was part of one of his answers this morning

    he attacked "cable tv" twice yesterday

    excuses are endless from these guys

    also, "deathers" is a new term being tossed around by the health care crowd

    chris matthews ran a segment every day for two full weeks, he's absolutely obsessed with "birthers"

    he'll almost surely be doing another today

    he identifies birthers with the south, he keeps running this poll that shows few in the northeast, midwest and west believe the president was born in kenya, or wherever

    but some 58% of dixie dudes and dude-ettes aren't sure barry is really red, white and blue

    GOP and South vs. rest of the U.S. - First Read - msnbc.com

    somehow, the birthers are morphing, in chrissy's excitable little mind, into plantation owning racists

    y'know, mint julep sippers

    it also has something to do with ms palin

    exactly what, chrissy struggles to articulate clearly

    but it does

    you have to understand mr matthews, he's so prone to THRILL

    i will never forget back during the 04 campaign---you surely remember the rumor that ran john mccain as john f kerry's veep candidate

    the kerry/mccain ticket, vs bush/cheney (whom chrissy very pointedly pronounces, cheeney)

    well, sure, it was a story, a rumor, a JUICY one, at that

    kerry/mccain!

    dream ticket, baby!

    but chrissy devoted, everyday, literally for MONTHS, a segment to the cozy couple

    chrissy SWOONS

    he does it all the time

    HA!

    anyway, even HE, chris matthews, saw yesterday's portsmouth pratfall as what it was---a staged set-up

    missed opportunity

    and demonstration that the prez can't face what specter, dingell, mccaskill and all the others must endure

    how do you think ms mccaskill feels about this?

    she's gotta go out there and get gutted

    while he prances all pretty in portsmouth before his gaping groupies

    turning over our medical insurance to the govt, like the post office, is leaving our health care in the hands of the kind of people who run the dmv

    good point, mr prez

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    Re: Obama it's the post office that's always having problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    interesting. who?
    "The American Letter Mail Company was started by Lysander Spooner in 1844, competing with the legal monopoly of the United States Post Office (USPO) (now the USPS) in violation of the Private Express Statutes. It succeeded in delivering mail for lower prices, but the U.S. Government challenged Spooner with legal measures, eventually forcing him to cease operations in 1851."

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Letter_Mail_Company]American Letter Mail Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Lysander Spooner and the United States Postal Monopoly

    "The Pony Express was a fast mail service crossing the North American continent from St. Joseph, Missouri, to Sacramento, California, from April 1860 to October 1861. It became the nation's most direct means of east-west communication before the telegraph and was vital for tying California closely with the Union just before the American Civil War."

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony_Express]Pony Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


    There were others but that's a start.
    History of mail delivery isn't all that interesting for most people.
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    Re: Obama it's the post office that's always having problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Do other countries have private letter mail delivery companies operating on a bulk model??
    I have no idea,if it works then good for them...I do not support privatizing all of our mail services,however it isnt being run very well and was a poor choice for Obama's arguement.
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    Re: Obama it's the post office that's always having problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post

    Funny enough the U.S. had a few private bulk mail delivery services until the government decided they could force a monopoly.
    That doesn't answer my question. Furthermore, that issue has already been dissected. Is there any modern version operating in countries today that is profitable on a bulk model?
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    Re: Obama it's the post office that's always having problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The U.S. postal service could solve all its problems by redlining obscure regions; just stop delivering mail to any area which isn't profitable.
    There's an easier way that doesn't result in less service and provides for long term sustainability.

    Reform its pension plan. UPS is saving bundles after it reformed its plan in 2007. I suspect FedEx has done the same long ago. Guess who's the odd man out on pension reform?

    Seriously guys, cracking open financials results in a wealth of information. I know several posters here will never do it due to their inherent laziness, but that doesn't mean all of you have to be like them.
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    Re: Obama it's the post office that's always having problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That doesn't answer my question. Furthermore, that issue has already been dissected. Is there any modern version operating in countries today that is profitable on a bulk model?
    I've already shown that it can exist but here you go.

    City Mail in Sweden and in Germany they have liberalized the postal monopoly to allow private operators, however, the national postal services have artificially low prices, making equitable competition difficult.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CityMail]Bring CityMail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_monopoly]German letter monopoly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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    Re: Obama it's the post office that's always having problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I've already shown that it can exist but here you go.
    Not quite.

    Merely existing does not equate to actually working well or being profitable.

    What is CityMail's cost and profit for high volume, slow, low weight mailings? Looking at their site, they seem to be far more interested in the express and large packages, essentially what DHL, UPS and FedEx do.

    The only real way to determine if they are actually a serious competition in high volume, slow, low weight mailings is to look at their volume by product as well as profit by product. Looking at their product listings, they seem to be much like UPS, handling shipping to communication to even warehousing and inventory control. That ain't the same thing as a bulk model high volume, slow, low weight mailings mail company.
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