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GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

I won't be buy ANY GM, Chevy, Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep. Not only do they have extremely crappy quality, they cost us tax payers a pretty penny. Plus who the hell wants to pay $5000 every few years to replace the batteries?

I'll stick with my '96 Toyota Camry which gets about 30mpg and has never had a non-routine fix at 135k. When that dies, I'll probably grab another Toyota or Honda and unless the hybrids and electric vehicles come a long way it will be a gas vehicle.
 
I won't be buy ANY GM, Chevy, Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep. Not only do they have extremely crappy quality, they cost us tax payers a pretty penny. Plus who the hell wants to pay $5000 every few years to replace the batteries?

Again, do the research, the lifespan on these batteries is over 10 years.
 
Buy Toyota, help put me back to work.

Already have a Prius, am very happy with it, but am still unsure whether the extra that I paid for the peace of mind in helping the enviroment, is really worth it, additionally I now understand that the manufacture of the Prius loads a higher CO2 footprint onto the enviroment that had we purchased a standard vehicle.
My main problem with electric vehicles and the claims of these high MPGs, does this include full vehicles ie two adults plus 1 or 2 kids plus baggage or simply 1 person.
 
The batteries have ab 8 year/100,000 mile warranty. I think we all know how warranties work.

GM: Chevy Volt Battery Warranty is eight years/100k miles

It's clear that you don't know jack **** about the Chevy Volt, sir.

ROFL, the link you posted just states the WARRANTY that Chevy offers, NOT the life of the battery.

I can tell it's time to school you:

"Ten years is the target life (for the battery). Depending on how you use it and where you live, you could see significantly longer time," said David Wallace, engineering group manager for Voltec Battery Systems

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10399861-54.html

Even if the battery were to last 8 years (of which it is warrantied for), it is a hell of a lot further a way then your stupid comment of:

Are you going to save enough to offset the $800 a month note and the $2,500 battery you're going to have to buy after three years?

Now do some research instead of making foolish comments of things you obviously know nothing about.
 
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- General Motors said Tuesday its new Chevy Volt will get 230 miles per gallon in the city, dwarfing the current mileage leader and giving the automaker reason to crow about its strides in fuel efficiency.

GM, fresh out of bankruptcy, is looking to the Volt to highlight a parade of 25 new vehicles by 2011 aimed at stemming market-share declines and bringing the automaker back to profitability. The Volt could also give GM a much-needed makeover in terms of its reputation for lagging behind the push toward "green" technology.

Scheduled for late 2010, the Volt will be able to travel up to 40 miles on electricity from a single charge, based on testing of pre-production prototypes and extend its overall range to 300 miles or more using a flex fuel-powered engine-generator.

GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon - MarketWatch



*** I was not sure where to post this if there is a better place than BN please move. TYIA

Sorry I'm not going to read the whole thread to see if this was already stated so sorry if it has.

The problems with the Volt is that when you plug it in to charge up for the night it literally doubles your energy bill at that time. Second from what I have heard you have to have a special setup in order to charge it.
 
ROFL, the link you posted just states the WARRANTY that Chevy offers, NOT the life of the battery.

I can tell it's time to school you:



For Chevy Volt drivers, battery life will vary | Green Tech - CNET News

Even if the battery were to last 8 years (of which it is warrantied for), it is a hell of a lot further a way then your stupid comment of:



Now do some research instead of making foolish comments of things you obviously know nothing about.

It's also a lot more than the cost of routine repairs on my 14 year old car with 135k.
 
Sorry I'm not going to read the whole thread to see if this was already stated so sorry if it has.

The problems with the Volt is that when you plug it in to charge up for the night it literally doubles your energy bill at that time. Second from what I have heard you have to have a special setup in order to charge it.

Not to mention you're probably getting your electricity from fossil fuel... lol.
 
The DTS is garbage

The STS is based on the CTS, and just made larger.


The CTS V is the King of Caddies, and can compete with with the big boys of luxury sports sedans from Germany

Please. The CTS is crap. I wouldn't give that POS to my worst enemy. A volume control 2 inches wide on the front of the steering wheel? Whose bright idea was that? Granted, it could compete with the top of the line Fiat in a pinch.

The DTS is lord and master of Cadillac.

Oh and since you obviously have zero knowledge of basic history around cadillac you would have known the STS was around for years before the CTS was even drawn on paper.

And before you snap those fingers, it was called the Seville before the STS just like the DTS was the Deville.

The CTS's ancestor was the Catera. And just like its offspring it too was a POS on a German Oldsmobile frame.
 
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Please. The CTS is crap. I wouldn't give that POS to my worst enemy. The DTS is lord and master of Cadillac.

Oh and since you obviously have zero knowledge of basic history around cadillac you would have known the STS was around for years before the CTS was even drawn on paper.

And before you snap those fingers, it was called the Seville before the STS just like the DTS was the Deville.

The CTS's ancestor was the Catera. And just like its offspring it too was a POS on a German Oldsmobile frame.

You seem to be stuck in the past here

The front wheel drive Seville was retired in 2004, replaced by an entirely new STS model based on the rear wheel drive GM Sigma platform. All wheel drive is offered as an option, the first Cadillac sedan to be available with this drive system. The STS carries on the Magnetic Ride Control suspension, which has bragging rights as being the 'fastest reacting suspension ever,' before it was ever utilized on newer Corvettes and Ferraris.

The Cadillac STS is assembled at GM's Lansing Grand River facility in Lansing, Michigan along with the smaller Cadillac CTS sedan and Cadillac SRX crossover SUV
Cadillac STS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The CTS was the first Caddy built on the Sigma platform which was then used for the STS redesign and the first gen SRX

The DTS is front wheel drive and a derivative of a platform first introduced in 1980. It is the Caddy for the gezzers
 
You seem to be stuck in the past here

Cadillac STS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The CTS was the first Caddy built on the Sigma platform which was then used for the STS redesign and the first gen SRX

What part of the STS was the Seville don't you understand?

Need a picture?

cadillachistory.png


See the Seville? See the timline? See the STS? I rest my case.

The DTS is front wheel drive and a derivative of a platform first introduced in 1980. It is the Caddy for the gezzers

Whatever makes you feel better about your toy car you go for it. The DTS is the bigger badder and more expensive car than the CTS for a good reason. Its just plain better.

And when you get older, here is the equivalent car for CTS owners

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Honk your little horn for me.
 
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I'm waiting for the hydraulic hybrid to hit the market.

More Efficient than a Prius


Hydraulic hybrids caught the attention of the Environmental Protection Agency, because the system promises 25 – 45 percent improvements in fuel economy and emissions. The E.P.A. is working with Eaton Corporation to install hybrid hydraulics in a number of United Parcel Service trucks. Eaton and Peterbilt have also announced joint development of garbage trucks. While delivery trucks, and other vehicles which make frequent quick stops, could experience the greatest benefits from this technology, it’s possible that hydraulic hybrid technology could be applied to passenger vehicles one day.

Jim O’Brien, of Hybrid-Drive Systems, LLC, in Deerfield Michigan, has moved the technology one step closer to reality by converting a 1968 Volkswagen Beetle to a hydraulic hybrid. “We are not aware of anything else like it,” O’Brien said. “This new powertrain is more efficient than electric hybrid powertains being used in such cars as Toyota Prius and Ford Escape.”

The original claim was a Ford F150 that was as fuel efficient as a Toyota Prius, despite being a lot heavier vehicle. I'm not sure how realistic that is, but a 4x4 pickup that gets 50 mpg and doesn't have a battery to wear out would definitely get my attention.
 
I was initially interested in the volt when they were supposed to come out with the thing over a year ago. It is a nice step in the right direction but Ford and Toyota are clearly king in efficiency and bang for buck all around and I just don't have faith that GM will be able to compete with either one.
 
What part of the STS was the Seville don't you understand?

Need a picture?

cadillachistory.png


See the Seville? See the timline? See the STS? I rest my case.
Yes the STS used to be called the Seville, the Seville used to be a front wheel drive car as well. Then GM changed the design and based it on the CTS platform. It is NOW a derivative of the CTS.
Whatever makes you feel better about your toy car you go for it. The DTS is the bigger badder and more expensive car than the CTS for a good reason. Its just plain better.

And when you get older, here is the equivalent car for CTS owners

ClownCar.jpg


Honk your little horn for me.

The DTS is a car for the elderly. It is the modern American luxo barge that no one who likes driving buys.

Just so you CTS V is more expensive then the DTS as well

As for the car DTS drivers will be riding this is it

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Now as for what car I would want to be in. A car for the dieing, or a car that can do 0-60 in less then 5 sec's and carry 5 people in comfort
 
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Yes the STS used to be called the Seville, the Seville used to be a front wheel drive car as well. Then GM changed the design and based it on the CTS platform. It is NOW a derivative of the CTS.

LOL Thats the equivilant of claiming the Honda Accord is the derivivative of the Pontiac Tempest because they both have windows.

The DTS is a car for the elderly. It is the modern American luxo barge that no one who likes driving buys.

Thats why they cost more and are bigger. Because no one likes driving them. Well done.

Just so you CTS V is more expensive then the DTS as well

Wrong again

2010 Cadillac CTS-V Pricing and Information

Cadillac DTS Vehicle Details - Edmunds.com

As for the car DTS drivers will be riding this is it

Now as for what car I would want to be in. A car for the dieing, or a car that can do 0-60 in less then 5 sec's and carry 5 people in comfort

Thats because only midgets could fit in your car.

Now if Mini-Me needs a car to run his casket around in, I'm sure you could accommodate him

midget.jpg


And Cadillac Hursts actually have already been immortalized

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But don't give up. Perhaps someone will remake the Wizard of Oz and the munchins in Munchin Land will need a car.

Lolly_WEB.jpg
 
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LOL Thats the equivilant of claiming the Honda Accord is the derivivative of the Pontiac Tempest because they both have windows.
Do you have any idea of how cars are engineered and designed?

GM has stated the CTS uses the Sigma platform, it has stated the STS uses the Sigma platform. The CTS used the platform first, the STS uses a modified sigma platform

Wrong again

2010 Cadillac CTS-V Pricing and Information

Cadillac DTS Vehicle Details - Edmunds.com
So you think comparing the most expensive DTS to the cheapest CTS V you can find is an honest comparison?

Here is a price for a top version of the CTS-V

2010 Cadillac CTS-V Vehicle Details - Edmunds.com

$69,545 for the CTS-V tops the price for the DTS that you linked to at $61,790

Now as for the DTS

I can see someone who is 80 wanting one for the sheer lack of excitment it provides or someone who is 400 lb or so for the sheer space it provides. But someone with a pulse would prefer the CTS-V
 
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This thread is not about Cadillac! Make your own thread if you want to argue about caddys.
 
You don't need a plug-in station at your work. The gasoline engine that kicks in gives the car a total range of 400 miles. When the gasoline engine kicks in, GMC claims the mileage is around 50 MPG.


Well, my, my, my....Still burning fossil fuel? Oh so green..... Lets see, the Volt is costing $41,000. that is out of range for most working stiffs. Now factor in the $7,000. tax credit, but subtract the $2500. you'll pay to have the electric plug in installed in your garage, and keep in mind that that 40 mile range is only if you don't use the AC, or play the radio. At the size of a Focus, which my daughter has, and gets overall 33 mpg with, and she only paid $16,000 for, it would take around 40 years for the Volt to make up that disparity in pricing.....

j-mac
 
The whole argument is asinine; we have lots of fuel to extract, and a lot of time. They should relax mileage standards and produce cars people want. That's how you would end up with a healthy auto industry... as well as smashing unions; those that have inflated wages and have benefits that cripple companies.

They can try to develop e-cars, or hybrid cars, hydrogen cars or wood burning cars, but don't expect many sales, and surely don't put your company's fortunes on the line with them.

These shoe boxes that are supposed to save the planet result in more fatalities or deaths. Of course... it's the average Joe and his family, or the poorer amongst us that tries to save a few bucks that drive the small, light death traps. The average amongst us... take it in the teeth again, and for what?

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Please. The CTS is crap. I wouldn't give that POS to my worst enemy. A volume control 2 inches wide on the front of the steering wheel? Whose bright idea was that? Granted, it could compete with the top of the line Fiat in a pinch.

The DTS is lord and master of Cadillac.

Oh and since you obviously have zero knowledge of basic history around cadillac you would have known the STS was around for years before the CTS was even drawn on paper.

And before you snap those fingers, it was called the Seville before the STS just like the DTS was the Deville.

The CTS's ancestor was the Catera. And just like its offspring it too was a POS on a German Oldsmobile frame.

It is called an Opel
 
Small cars can sell for premium prices in Europe, with many lux add ons that can drive the price higher. While smal cars in the US are labelled as "being cheap" cars and the price point is the main focus. So a small car that gets a large amount of high tech items like a modern diesel engine, a nav system and leather seating will sell in Europe allowing for a profit to be made, it would not sell in the US as most US consumers would rather spend the money on the larger car then the smaller one

If we are talking about milage then diesel is the way to go.

I just saw a car show from England where they ran 3 diesel cars on the highway. The Subaru Legacy Wagon, the VW Polo and the Jaguar X or S Type which had 2 turbos on it.

They were averaging on the highway anywhere from 40 MPG to 80 MPG.

Even the Jag at 80 MPH on the highway with the AC on was at 40 MPG.

They are clean burning diesels and a gallon of diesel fuel is alot cheaper than a gallon of gas.

A diesel engine will last a lot longer than the batteries of an electric car so I don't see whay those cars can't be sold inthe US tomorrow.
 
The batteries have a lifespan of over 10 years. Do the research please, it is clear you know jack **** about the Chevy Volt.

Since the electric cars haven't been around for 10 years they don't really know how long the batteries will last under real world conditions.

If you rely on the warranty from the manufacture, you will be dissapointed.

The warranty is only valid if the dealer wants to fix the car, and they usually don't want to fix the car.
 
I think so, but don't hold me to it. It also depends. While probably bigger than the Metro which was essentially a lawn mower with a roof, I think the Prizm was a sedan.

Anyway, for some reason older cars always got better gas milesage, and I don't think it was just because of the horsies or cylinders. The new Smart car (parent company is Mercedes-Benz I believe) is a three-cylinder car and it only claims 41 MPG city. My old Nissan from my teenage years damn near got that, and it had a bit of zip to it.

Both of those cars are still being sold today.

The Metro is now called a Suzuki Swift and the Prizm is a Toyota Corolla.
 
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