GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

apdst · Jul 30, 2010

winston53660 said:
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- General Motors said Tuesday its new Chevy Volt will get 230 miles per gallon in the city, dwarfing the current mileage leader and giving the automaker reason to crow about its strides in fuel efficiency.

GM, fresh out of bankruptcy, is looking to the Volt to highlight a parade of 25 new vehicles by 2011 aimed at stemming market-share declines and bringing the automaker back to profitability. The Volt could also give GM a much-needed makeover in terms of its reputation for lagging behind the push toward "green" technology.

Scheduled for late 2010, the Volt will be able to travel up to 40 miles on electricity from a single charge, based on testing of pre-production prototypes and extend its overall range to 300 miles or more using a flex fuel-powered engine-generator.

GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon - MarketWatch

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Too bad everyone is out of work and can't afford a forty-one-thousand dollar car that is no more than basic transportation.

You can't pull a boat with it, nor a horse trailer, nor take a family of more than two on an overnight trip.

I don't care if it gets 1,000 mpg; for 41 g's, it needs to be way more utilitarian.

winston53660 · Jul 30, 2010

apdst said:
You can't pull a boat with it, nor a horse trailer, nor take a family of more than two on an overnight trip. .

I do not think pulling a boat or a horse trailer is what it is meant to do. Would you buy a Ferrari to do that? And I bet it could take a family of four or more but not the Duggar's or a quiver full on an overnight trip.

apdst · Jul 30, 2010

winston53660 said:
I do not think pulling a boat or a horse trailer is what it is meant to do.

I think I've already pointed that out.

Would you buy a Ferrari to do that?

I wouldn't! A Ferrari is just as useless as a Volt. The only advantage that a Ferrari has, is that you can pick up waaaay more *****. I'm kinda betting that a Volt isn't going to attract a whole lotta babes.

And I bet it could take a family of four or more but not the Duggar's or a quiver full on an overnight trip.

Yeah, and an over...night trip is all it would be, unless everyone wore the same clothes a couple days in a row and your wife did laundry every third day.

winston53660 · Jul 30, 2010

apdst said:
I think I've already pointed that out.

I wouldn't! A Ferrari is just as useless as a Volt. The only advantage that a Ferrari has, is that you can pick up waaaay more *****. I'm kinda betting that a Volt isn't going to attract a whole lotta babes.

Yeah, and an over...night trip is all it would be, unless everyone wore the same clothes a couple days in a row and your wife did laundry every third day.

Okay I guess you have an answer to everything. BTW Ferrari's are a lot of fun like the boat you want to haul around.

apdst · Jul 30, 2010

winston53660 said:
Okay I guess you have an answer to everything. BTW Ferrari's are a lot of fun like the boat you want to haul around.

This is just my opinion, but I can have a ****load more fun with a $5,000 boat than I can with a $100,000 Ferrari.

I've enver had the 100 grand Ferrari, but I have the 5 grand boat and, dude!, I've had some fun with it.

winston53660 · Jul 30, 2010

apdst said:
This is just my opinion, but I can have a ****load more fun with a $5,000 boat than I can with a $100,000 Ferrari.

I've enver had the 100 grand Ferrari, but I have the 5 grand boat and, dude!, I've had some fun with it.

Yeah I bet that 5k boat brought in the crack whores like crazy.:mrgreen:

Dittohead not! · Jul 30, 2010

Let's do the math, and see how economical this car really is.

It costs over forty grand.

General Motors has announced that the bottom-end version of the Chevy Volt, its new electric car, will cost $41,000. Even after a generous federal rebate, it's still pricey

Let's say you buy a Toyota Corolla or similar car for $20 grand. Such a car should average at least 33 MPG. My old Accord averaged 30, and it was a heavier car.

So, you drive the Corolla, or Civic, or whatever for a hundred thousand miles. Your cost for fuel + purchase then is 20 grand plus 3,000 gallons of gas.

At $4 a gallon average (the price isn't going down, you know) that's $12 grand for gas, + 20 for the car for $32 grand.

Even if the Volt didn't use fuel at all, the Civic would still be ahead. Let's go another hundred thousand. Now, the cost of the Civic is $20 + $24 grand, for a total of $44,000. At least, we're ahead of the initial cost of the Volt.

So, we drive the volt for two hundred thousand miles, and put in a thousand gallons of gas at 200 mpg for $4,000, for a total of $45,000 Now, the Volt is still a little bit behind, but we're close enough to call it even.

So, to make it economically, the Volt would have to go at least two hundred thousand miles, and gas will have to climb to about $5 a gallon (to make that $4 average with today's $3 a gallon.)

Personally, I'd be a lot more willing to bet on a Corolla or a Civic giving 200,000 miles of reliable service than any small Chevy, particularly a new model.

Besides, that $41 grand is for the base model Volt. A $20,000 Civic/Corolla should be pretty well equipped.

If GM does get it on the market, I for one sincerely hope that they first make it as reliable as the small Hondas, Toyotas, and Subarus. If they don't, it will go the way of the Chevy Vega (remember the Vega? probably one of the worst pieces of junk ever to roll off of the assembly line. It lasted two model years.)

Unless, of course, the price of gas climbs into the double digits. Then a reliable Volt, if there is such a thing, would be a good deal.

winston53660 · Jul 30, 2010

Dittohead not! said:
Let's do the math, and see how economical this car really is.

It costs over forty grand.

Let's say you buy a Toyota Corolla or similar car for $20 grand. Such a car should average at least 33 MPG. My old Accord averaged 30, and it was a heavier car.

So, you drive the Corolla, or Civic, or whatever for a hundred thousand miles. Your cost for fuel + purchase then is 20 grand plus 3,000 gallons of gas.

At $4 a gallon average (the price isn't going down, you know) that's $12 grand for gas, + 20 for the car for $32 grand.

Even if the Volt didn't use fuel at all, the Civic would still be ahead. Let's go another hundred thousand. Now, the cost of the Civic is $20 + $24 grand, for a total of $44,000. At least, we're ahead of the initial cost of the Volt.

So, we drive the volt for two hundred thousand miles, and put in a thousand gallons of gas at 200 mpg for $4,000, for a total of $45,000 Now, the Volt is still a little bit behind, but we're close enough to call it even.

So, to make it economically, the Volt would have to go at least two hundred thousand miles, and gas will have to climb to about $5 a gallon (to make that $4 average with today's $3 a gallon.)

Personally, I'd be a lot more willing to bet on a Corolla or a Civic giving 200,000 miles of reliable service than any small Chevy, particularly a new model.

Besides, that $41 grand is for the base model Volt. A $20,000 Civic/Corolla should be pretty well equipped.

If GM does get it on the market, I for one sincerely hope that they first make it as reliable as the small Hondas, Toyotas, and Subarus. If they don't, it will go the way of the Chevy Vega (remember the Vega? probably one of the worst pieces of junk ever to roll off of the assembly line. It lasted two model years.)

Unless, of course, the price of gas climbs into the double digits. Then a reliable Volt, if there is such a thing, would be a good deal.

I think there is a rebate in some form or another on the volt. I'll look it up later. Now it is fajita time.

BCR · Jul 30, 2010

MrVicchio said:
I travel 40 miles a day in my car, occassionally I make long distance trips with a full car, 2 adults, 2 kids, 2 dogs and all our luggage.

that must me a rough ride in a Ford Focus, lol.

RyrineaHaruno · Jul 30, 2010

I might get a Electric car to save on the gasoline, since I drive around a Elderly woman. I would be saving money on gas as well. It will also lower my Car emendations which I consider a plus, and will also reduce air pollution.

However I will not be getting the volt, since its out of my price range for a car. Thought I do think that I will be getting the Nissan Leaf , and the fact it will keep the money I have with in our boarders, and this will help us not relay on foreign oil as much anymore, so I will be happy plus it comes in my favorite color which is blue.

Dittohead not! · Jul 30, 2010

winston53660 said:
I think there is a rebate in some form or another on the volt. I'll look it up later. Now it is fajita time.

A rebate has to be paid for in one way or another. If it is a government rebate, then it's most likely borrowed from the Chinese. If it's a company rebate, then they've set the price too high to begin with. There is no free lunch.

I can't help but wonder just how long those batteries last. The ones in cell phones are good for a couple of years as a general rule.

Enjoy your fajitas.

Aunt Spiker · Jul 30, 2010

Coronado said:
That's cool. I still won't buy it though.

I'm holding out for biodiesel in a VW or a Benz.

yeah - it's cool - but someone else can be the guinea pig for a while . . . I'll dive in on things in, say, 15 years, when they iron out the kinks and everything is more affordable.

MaggieD · Jul 30, 2010

apdst said:
Too bad everyone is out of work and can't afford a forty-one-thousand dollar car that is no more than basic transportation.

You can't pull a boat with it, nor a horse trailer, nor take a family of more than two on an overnight trip.

I don't care if it gets 1,000 mpg; for 41 g's, it needs to be way more utilitarian.

The point is that the technology's out there to significantly reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Nobody said it'd be cheap. And, as with all new technology, it'll get cheaper fast. Look at big screens.

And if the price of gasoline goes through the roof, these cars will look better and better. (We never know when that's going to happen.

Lord Tammerlain · Jul 30, 2010

Dittohead not! said:
A rebate has to be paid for in one way or another. If it is a government rebate, then it's most likely borrowed from the Chinese. If it's a company rebate, then they've set the price too high to begin with. There is no free lunch.

I can't help but wonder just how long those batteries last. The ones in cell phones are good for a couple of years as a general rule.

Enjoy your fajitas.

The Prius batteries are lasting longer then expected. Provided I believe the 30%-70% of the batteries are not exceed very often they should last a good period of time

Renae · Jul 30, 2010

Lord Tammerlain said:
The Prius batteries are lasting longer then expected. Provided I believe the 30%-70% of the batteries are not exceed very often they should last a good period of time

My Uncle has a ford F150 that's 15 years old with 250k miles so far.

Whena Prius can do that... call me.

TheNextEra · Jul 30, 2010

MrVicchio said:
My Uncle has a ford F150 that's 15 years old with 250k miles so far.

Whena Prius can do that... call me.

Any car can do that with repairs. Are you seriously saying NOTHING has been fixed on the F150? If so, I call bull**** on that one.

Dittohead not! · Jul 30, 2010

Lord Tammerlain said:
The Prius batteries are lasting longer then expected. Provided I believe the 30%-70% of the batteries are not exceed very often they should last a good period of time

Let's hope so. The break even point I calculated already is around 200,000 miles, and that doesn't factor in replacing an expensive battery. I wonder just how much those batteries cost, anyway?

Dittohead not! · Jul 30, 2010

TheNextEra said:
Any car can do that with repairs. Are you seriously saying NOTHING has been fixed on the F150? If so, I call bull**** on that one.

Some cars need a lot more repairs than others. I had an Accord that had no repairs for the first 150 thousand or so, then a Chevy Impala that was in the shop every other month. That one didn't even last 50,000 before I got rid of it. A car that you can't depend on when you go out of town is not worth a lot.

An F150 might last that long with no major repairs. They have a good rep. My son in law has one that must be around 200 thousand by now.

A friend of mine had a Ford Maverick (remember those? No, they weren't named for McCain) that went 650,000 miles. It was in pretty bad shape by that time, of course. He sold it for a few bucks to a guy who resold it to a hot rod builder. It now sports racing slicks and a big V8.

A car can last a long time, if you really want it to.

apdst · Jul 31, 2010

MaggieD said:
Nobody said it'd be cheap.

No one asked for it to be cheap. But, what do we get for our investment?

And, as with all new technology, it'll get cheaper fast. Look at big screens.

Why not let the market decide that, rather than the government?

And if the price of gasoline goes through the roof, these cars will look better and better. (We never know when that's going to happen.

Ya think? Will they really????

apdst · Jul 31, 2010

Lord Tammerlain said:
The Prius batteries are lasting longer then expected. Provided I believe the 30%-70% of the batteries are not exceed very often they should last a good period of time

Where does lithium come from?

This is a lithium mine in Chile. Aren't Libbo tree-huggers opposed to strip mining?

Dittohead not! · Jul 31, 2010

apdst said:
Where does lithium come from?

This is a lithium mine in Chile. Aren't Libbo tree-huggers opposed to strip mining?

No, it's people who live near the strip mine who are opposed to strip mining. If it's in Chile, only the Chileans are going to care. That one looks like the Atacama Desert, where it never rains and no one lives anyway.

One of the poorest natons in the world, Bolivia, has discovered lithium deposits under the Salar de Uyuni, a huge salt flat on t he high plains. Hardly anyone lives there.

I'll bet even the "libbo tree huggers" aren't going to oppose that mine either.

zimmer · Jul 31, 2010

Dittohead not! said:
No, it's people who live near the strip mine who are opposed to strip mining. If it's in Chile, only the Chileans are going to care. That one looks like the Atacama Desert, where it never rains and no one lives anyway.

One of the poorest natons in the world, Bolivia, has discovered lithium deposits under the Salar de Uyuni, a huge salt flat on t he high plains. Hardly anyone lives there.

I'll bet even the "libbo tree huggers" aren't going to oppose that mine either.

Oh really... just the people who live near one?!
Since when has this mentality amongst enviromaniacs taken shape.

.

texmaster · Jul 31, 2010

apdst said:
Where does lithium come from?

This is a lithium mine in Chile. Aren't Libbo tree-huggers opposed to strip mining?

Strip it baby. Love not being a liberal

Mason66 · Jul 31, 2010

Dittohead not! said:
Let's do the math, and see how economical this car really is.

It costs over forty grand.

Let's say you buy a Toyota Corolla or similar car for $20 grand. Such a car should average at least 33 MPG. My old Accord averaged 30, and it was a heavier car.

So, you drive the Corolla, or Civic, or whatever for a hundred thousand miles. Your cost for fuel + purchase then is 20 grand plus 3,000 gallons of gas.

At $4 a gallon average (the price isn't going down, you know) that's $12 grand for gas, + 20 for the car for $32 grand.

Even if the Volt didn't use fuel at all, the Civic would still be ahead. Let's go another hundred thousand. Now, the cost of the Civic is $20 + $24 grand, for a total of $44,000. At least, we're ahead of the initial cost of the Volt.

So, we drive the volt for two hundred thousand miles, and put in a thousand gallons of gas at 200 mpg for $4,000, for a total of $45,000 Now, the Volt is still a little bit behind, but we're close enough to call it even.

So, to make it economically, the Volt would have to go at least two hundred thousand miles, and gas will have to climb to about $5 a gallon (to make that $4 average with today's $3 a gallon.)

Personally, I'd be a lot more willing to bet on a Corolla or a Civic giving 200,000 miles of reliable service than any small Chevy, particularly a new model.

Besides, that $41 grand is for the base model Volt. A $20,000 Civic/Corolla should be pretty well equipped.

If GM does get it on the market, I for one sincerely hope that they first make it as reliable as the small Hondas, Toyotas, and Subarus. If they don't, it will go the way of the Chevy Vega (remember the Vega? probably one of the worst pieces of junk ever to roll off of the assembly line. It lasted two model years.)

Unless, of course, the price of gas climbs into the double digits. Then a reliable Volt, if there is such a thing, would be a good deal.

You forgot about the replacement cost of the batteries which do not last forever.

Nobody know what the upkeep on a car like this will be and how much the batteries will cost.

I also have serios questions about crashes and if there is acid inthe batteries I don't want to be anywhere near this car in a crash.

Mason66 · Jul 31, 2010

Lord Tammerlain said:
The Prius batteries are lasting longer then expected. Provided I believe the 30%-70% of the batteries are not exceed very often they should last a good period of time

What will happen to an electric car if a few of the batteries go bad and others don't.

I wonder how the car will react and how will the owner or mechanic find the problem.

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