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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Where does lithium come from?

    This is a lithium mine in Chile. Aren't Libbo tree-huggers opposed to strip mining?

    No, it's people who live near the strip mine who are opposed to strip mining. If it's in Chile, only the Chileans are going to care. That one looks like the Atacama Desert, where it never rains and no one lives anyway.

    One of the poorest natons in the world, Bolivia, has discovered lithium deposits under the Salar de Uyuni, a huge salt flat on t he high plains. Hardly anyone lives there.

    I'll bet even the "libbo tree huggers" aren't going to oppose that mine either.
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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, it's people who live near the strip mine who are opposed to strip mining. If it's in Chile, only the Chileans are going to care. That one looks like the Atacama Desert, where it never rains and no one lives anyway.

    One of the poorest natons in the world, Bolivia, has discovered lithium deposits under the Salar de Uyuni, a huge salt flat on t he high plains. Hardly anyone lives there.

    I'll bet even the "libbo tree huggers" aren't going to oppose that mine either.
    Oh really... just the people who live near one?!
    Since when has this mentality amongst enviromaniacs taken shape.

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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Where does lithium come from?

    This is a lithium mine in Chile. Aren't Libbo tree-huggers opposed to strip mining?

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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Let's do the math, and see how economical this car really is.

    It costs over forty grand.



    Let's say you buy a Toyota Corolla or similar car for $20 grand. Such a car should average at least 33 MPG. My old Accord averaged 30, and it was a heavier car.

    So, you drive the Corolla, or Civic, or whatever for a hundred thousand miles. Your cost for fuel + purchase then is 20 grand plus 3,000 gallons of gas.

    At $4 a gallon average (the price isn't going down, you know) that's $12 grand for gas, + 20 for the car for $32 grand.

    Even if the Volt didn't use fuel at all, the Civic would still be ahead. Let's go another hundred thousand. Now, the cost of the Civic is $20 + $24 grand, for a total of $44,000. At least, we're ahead of the initial cost of the Volt.

    So, we drive the volt for two hundred thousand miles, and put in a thousand gallons of gas at 200 mpg for $4,000, for a total of $45,000 Now, the Volt is still a little bit behind, but we're close enough to call it even.

    So, to make it economically, the Volt would have to go at least two hundred thousand miles, and gas will have to climb to about $5 a gallon (to make that $4 average with today's $3 a gallon.)

    Personally, I'd be a lot more willing to bet on a Corolla or a Civic giving 200,000 miles of reliable service than any small Chevy, particularly a new model.

    Besides, that $41 grand is for the base model Volt. A $20,000 Civic/Corolla should be pretty well equipped.

    If GM does get it on the market, I for one sincerely hope that they first make it as reliable as the small Hondas, Toyotas, and Subarus. If they don't, it will go the way of the Chevy Vega (remember the Vega? probably one of the worst pieces of junk ever to roll off of the assembly line. It lasted two model years.)

    Unless, of course, the price of gas climbs into the double digits. Then a reliable Volt, if there is such a thing, would be a good deal.
    You forgot about the replacement cost of the batteries which do not last forever.

    Nobody know what the upkeep on a car like this will be and how much the batteries will cost.

    I also have serios questions about crashes and if there is acid inthe batteries I don't want to be anywhere near this car in a crash.

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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The Prius batteries are lasting longer then expected. Provided I believe the 30%-70% of the batteries are not exceed very often they should last a good period of time
    What will happen to an electric car if a few of the batteries go bad and others don't.

    I wonder how the car will react and how will the owner or mechanic find the problem.

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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    So this is the end result of Billions in bailout, and mandates from Obama to get green?

    A $41,000. compact car? And one that may get me to work, but not home?

    I didn't pay that much for my wife's brand new Fusion SEL, loaded, with leather, and sunroof, and I still get about 32 MPG.

    What a loser Obama is, see what he got for Billions......


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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So this is the end result of Billions in bailout, and mandates from Obama to get green?

    A $41,000. compact car? And one that may get me to work, but not home?

    I didn't pay that much for my wife's brand new Fusion SEL, loaded, with leather, and sunroof, and I still get about 32 MPG.

    What a loser Obama is, see what he got for Billions......


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    Unless you work in another state, the Volt will have no issue getting you home.

    I personally am very interested in the Volt, and when I need a new car I might get one.
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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    Unless you work in another state, the Volt will have no issue getting you home.

    I personally am very interested in the Volt, and when I need a new car I might get one.

    For the average person this will be out of reach. I suspect it will follow the same path as the Prius. A status symbol for yuppie liberals that are really less concerned with the actual environmental damage these cars cause, and more about a show, 'look at me!' "I have a Prius, I am better than you."


    Pfft.


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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    I want to know just how efficient the Volt is when you factor in electricity costs. 230 mpg is extremely misleading.

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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    Unless you work in another state, the Volt will have no issue getting you home.

    I personally am very interested in the Volt, and when I need a new car I might get one.
    How about a poll.

    How many of you have an electrical plug in station at your work?

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