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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I despise the EPA regulations for MPG for hybrids. Adding the battery driven range to the gasoline range is absurdly misleading, as it has nothing to do with how efficient the vehicle is. If you shrunk the volts gas tank down a pint, if would over 1000 miles per gallon on the sticker despite nothing actually changing about the fuel efficiency.

    They should change the standard so electric vehicles are rated by the fuel efficiency of the gasoline engine as well as posting the range you can go on battery. So a plug-in hyrbid would read 45mpg+40E according to EPA standards.

    Although the volt is a not so great implementation, it is a useful testbed for other technologies. The range extended vehicle concept is far superior to the Prius with its complicated transmission. The technology is useful for testing electric motors and drivetrains, which are quite immature. It will speed the development for full electric cars when a suitable battery technology becomes available. Also, someone might get the bright idea for hybrid without a heavy battery.
    I have a great idea. Put a windmill on top of the car that generates electricity. Then you don't need ANY gasoline, because you are running on......

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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I despise the EPA regulations for MPG for hybrids. Adding the battery driven range to the gasoline range is absurdly misleading, as it has nothing to do with how efficient the vehicle is. If you shrunk the volts gas tank down a pint, if would over 1000 miles per gallon on the sticker despite nothing actually changing about the fuel efficiency.
    EPA for the most part is full of ****, especially when it comes to cars. When I get a motorcycle, one of the first things I do is to rip off the air box and replace it with straight air filters into the carburetor. Though that does mean I also have to rejet the carburetor in order to get the proper air/fuel mixture. But I get free horsepower by taking off that air box.
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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I travel 40 miles a day in my car, occasionally I make long distance trips with a full car, 2 adults, 2 kids, 2 dogs and all our luggage.
    And ?

    This is why our nation is bankrupt.
    230 mpg...
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    An average of 50 mpg for 100,000 miles in my '85 VW Golf; small ?; thats a matter of opinion..
    Slow? ; again, I was faster than the big rigs, and less economical.
    The electric is great for those who make short trips....many of us do...
    Our wonderful environmentalists have killed the Diesel; five years from now, maybe 50% of our motor vehicles will be electric, which will be good, as long as they are Chevrolets and Fords..
    Chrysler/Fiat will go the way of Packard and Hudson..sadly.

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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I have a great idea. Put a windmill on top of the car that generates electricity. Then you don't need ANY gasoline, because you are running on......

    Perpetual motion..... Oops, never mind.
    We must bury Madison Avenue and its cheap advertising and intellectually grow to discuss these things, seriously ...The windmill is not a great idea, its an old idea whose time has returned, as the wind turbine.

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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    Where does the electricity come from? Coal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Where does the electricity come from? Coal?
    The obvious just isn't as obvious as it should be any more, is it.


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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    I have not read the whole thread, but allow me to make this commentary. GM wants to sell a car that while quite admirably gets great gas mileage according them, it also is quite expensive according to them. Their price tag of $40k for this is just asinine in my opinion. So for $40k I could have this Chevy Volt, or wait and possibly get the Tesla Model S for $49k. Hmm....bland Chevy, or sleek performance (well 0-60 5.6 ain't that bad).

    Next year I believe Nissan will introduce to our market a smaller subcompact the Leaf, which will debut at $28k. While I would not consider the Leaf to be a replacement for my current auto , it is however I believe much more competitive than the Volt will be. And if the Tesla Model S turns out to be as reliable as some of us hope and pray, then the Volt could be a failure.

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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Fuel efficiency is going to be a very tricky thing once we get plug-in hybrids. Car companies will be able to post these astronomical mpg numbers, but of course we still pay for electricity. That has to be factored in somehow.
    Pretty much. Utahbill suggested posting efficiency in miles per watt. We know how much on average electricity a gallon of gasoline will generate in a car engine and how far that will take certain cars. Let's do the same for electric cars, just without the gasoline calculation.
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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    Researchers are constantly looking and searching. Who knows what they will come up with or stumble over in the future. Here is one such study that might prove to be valuable as it is refined.


    Researchers at the University of Miami and at the Universities of Tokyo and Tohoku, Japan, have been able to prove the existence of a "spin battery," a battery that is "charged" by applying a large magnetic field to nano-magnets in a device called a magnetic tunnel junction (MTJ).
    [...]
    Like a winding up toy car, the spin battery is "wound up" by applying a large magnetic field -- no chemistry involved. The device is potentially better than anything found so far, said Barnes.
    [...]
    Although the actual device has a diameter about that of a human hair and cannot even light up an LED (light-emitting diode--a light source used as electronic component), the energy that might be stored in this way could potentially run a car for miles. The possibilities are endless, Barnes said.


    Spin Battery: Physicist Develops Battery Using New Source Of Energy
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    Re: GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- General Motors said Tuesday its new Chevy Volt will get 230 miles per gallon in the city, dwarfing the current mileage leader and giving the automaker reason to crow about its strides in fuel efficiency.

    GM, fresh out of bankruptcy, is looking to the Volt to highlight a parade of 25 new vehicles by 2011 aimed at stemming market-share declines and bringing the automaker back to profitability. The Volt could also give GM a much-needed makeover in terms of its reputation for lagging behind the push toward "green" technology.

    Scheduled for late 2010, the Volt will be able to travel up to 40 miles on electricity from a single charge, based on testing of pre-production prototypes and extend its overall range to 300 miles or more using a flex fuel-powered engine-generator.

    GM: Volt will get 230 miles per gallon - MarketWatch



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    Initial prices for the car may be as high as $40,000, analysts said




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