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    Drooping polls undercut scripted protest claims

    I wonder if the Bush administration every called any of the anti-war protesters fake or manufactured?


    Drooping polls undercut scripted protest claims - Washington Times

    The White House's claim that large and boisterous protests against health care reform over the past week have been scripted performances, underwritten by industry lobbyists and the Republican Party, continues to run into a stubborn reality check: public polling on the matter.

    For more than two weeks, polls have consistently shown growing resistance to President Obama's reform proposals, largely because of concerns about the nation's deficit and debt.

    "There are a number of statistically valid public opinion polls that show that there has been a dramatic increase in public concern about escalating deficits and debt levels and our nation's increased reliance on foreign lenders," said David Walker, the nation's former comptroller general.


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    "It's easy for people to say they're in favor of raising taxes on rich people and business, but when you ask them whether they're in favor of increasing the deficit ... [to do] health care, that's a trade-off question and that's the question that really matters," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

    A Quinnipiac poll last week found "strong support for critical elements of the Obama/Democratic plan" but also found that the nation's projected $1.8 trillion deficit was the overriding concern of the poll's 2,409 respondents.

    A majority, 57 percent, said health care reform should be abandoned if it will "significantly" add to the deficit. Mr. Obama has promised that any reform will not add to the budget imbalance, but 72 percent of the registered voters surveyed by Quinnipiac said they did not think Mr. Obama would be able to deliver on that vow.


    Drooping polls undercut scripted protest claims - Washington Times


    A National Public Radio poll of 850 likely voters in late July showed that 48 percent thought the president's policies have increased the federal deficit and done little to slow job loss, while 45 percent said Mr. Obama has blunted the recession and set a foundation for recovery. The poll also showed 47 percent opposition to the Obama health care reforms in Congress, with 42 percent support.

    A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll of 1,011 adults on July 30 showed that 42 percent thought the current health care reforms were a bad idea, while 36 percent thought them a good idea. More surprisingly, Republicans in Congress were more trusted to fix the budget deficit by a 31 percent to 25 percent margin, a drastic turnaround from January, when Democrats held the edge by a margin of 42 percent to 20 percent.

    But a July 27 poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press showed that 55 percent of 1,506 people surveyed still favored "spending more to make health care more accessible and affordable," compared with the 40 percent who disagreed with that statement. However, that same poll showed 43 percent disapproval of Mr. Obama's handling of the health care debate, 53 percent disapproval on the economy, and said that 44 percent "generally oppose" the health care proposals in Congress, while 38 percent generally favor them and 18 percent said they didn't know.

    The White House at first responded to the poll numbers by claiming that Americans were being influenced by "misinformation." At one point in the middle of last week, an anonymous White House official told Politico that "poll numbers now, for health care, are up."

    When asked by The Washington Times to verify that latter statement, however, no one in the White House communications office would own up to the quote or defend it.


    But as protests erupted a week ago and spilled onto the Internet via YouTube and the Drudge Report, the administration took a new tack. White House press secretary Robert Gibbs called the now-visible opposition "manufactured anger."

    The Democratic National Committee piled on, calling the protesters "mobs" and even saying they were being "bused in" to events by "by well-funded, highly organized groups run by Republican operatives and funded by the special interests."

    Brad Woodhouse, the DNC spokesman who made those accusations, said in an e-mail exchange that the evidence of protesters being bussed in came from "anecdotal reports" along with eyewitness accounts from some at an Aug. 2 forum in Philadelphia. The accounts said people saw buses from North Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia.



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    But Mr. Walker, the former comptroller, said the dissatisfaction being expressed was not a minority view but rather a reaction to the government's arrogance, pointing to the polls as quantifiable evidence.

    "What's going on is there is increasing concern, which in some cases has turned to outrage, with how far out of touch and out of control Washington has become," Mr. Walker said.

    Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, also noted that polling was a problem for the Democrats' attempts to delegitimize their opposition.

    "If the polls were showing 80 percent support for Obama's health care plan, if the polls were showing increasing support for Obama personally, then you could say, 'Hey where are these people coming from?' " Mr. Norquist said. "But every poll shows that support for his plan or what they're talking about doing on health care is plummeting, personal support for Obama is plummeting."

    Virtually every poll published during the last few weeks has shown the president's job approval declining noticeably, under duress from growing dissatisfaction over his handling of health care and the economy, and also from his comments about a racially charged incident involving the arrest of a black Harvard professor by a white Boston police officer.
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    Re: Drooping polls undercut scripted protest claims

    So you are trying to counter the scripted protest claims by linking stuff from the Washington Times?... okay...
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    Re: Drooping polls undercut scripted protest claims

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So you are trying to counter the scripted protest claims by linking stuff from the Washington Times?... okay...



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    Re: Drooping polls undercut scripted protest claims

    A little logic for you. Just because there is growing opposition to the democratic health care plan does not mean that there is also not scripted protests.

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    Re: Drooping polls undercut scripted protest claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is the argument of the lacking.
    I will remember that the next time you argue about a source...

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    Re: Drooping polls undercut scripted protest claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I will remember that the next time you argue about a source...



    Make sure its when I argue about WND, Newsmax, etc....







    (note: when I go after say the NY times. its never a one liner like that. I explain why, and cite examples. just sayin.... )
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    Re: Drooping polls undercut scripted protest claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Make sure its when I argue about WND, Newsmax, etc....



    Does any one consider WND a reliable source?

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    Re: Drooping polls undercut scripted protest claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Does any one consider WND a reliable source?



    Joe1991 used it to claim that us righties all think that Obama is the Anti-christ.
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    Re: Drooping polls undercut scripted protest claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Joe1991 used it to claim that us righties all think that Obama is the Anti-christ.
    You don't?

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    Re: Drooping polls undercut scripted protest claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You don't?



    nah.........
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