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    Re: Town hall tension: Meeting turns ugly over health care

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Wikipedia has an okay summary of the bill. Considering that it is quite likely to change significantly before it gets voted on, a constantly updated summary is the most practical way to keep abreast of the bills content.
    To amplify this a bit (because it's worth pointing out)--there are many sites that can facilitate tracking any bill as it wends its way through Congress.

    GovTrack:
    H.R. 3200: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us)

    OpenCongress:
    H.R.3200: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

    This in addition to the Library of Congress' own THOMAS service:
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    Re: Town hall tension: Meeting turns ugly over health care

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    There is no reason for anyone to be angry about healthcare reform because not only are there no details to get upset about, but it has been made clear that anyone who likes their healthcare coverage may keep it. The "anger" is all phony, or perhaps these people are angry because the president is black.
    I guess on top of everything else, you're a race-baiter, too, eh?
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    Re: Town hall tension: Meeting turns ugly over health care

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    Do you know every detail of all the legislation enacted by congress?

    Why not? Arent you troubled?
    I'd be troubled if NO ONE did, which is what Redress said.
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    Re: Town hall tension: Meeting turns ugly over health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Rathi provided a source of the bill information so that point isn't correct.

    People have legitimate criticisms because there are many problems with our health care system that are not being addressed in any way.

    There are also legitimate problems with any kind of government program mainly because the Feds can't afford it, it hasn't been shown to be more efficient and many other things.
    Not to mention the inherent dishonesty in the sales pitch. The CBO contradicts pretty much all of the fiscal claims made for it.

    Which, of course, makes any thinking person wonder about the honesty around the REST of it, including the part about "getting to keep your current insurance."
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    Re: Town hall tension: Meeting turns ugly over health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Not to mention the inherent dishonesty in the sales pitch. The CBO contradicts pretty much all of the fiscal claims made for it.

    Which, of course, makes any thinking person wonder about the honesty around the REST of it, including the part about "getting to keep your current insurance."
    The president has made multiple claims not supported by the bill present in congress as well.

    Either he is lying or he doesn't know what he is talking about.
    Going by that he is not a credible person to listen to.
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    Re: Town hall tension: Meeting turns ugly over health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Which, of course, makes any thinking person wonder about the honesty around the REST of it, including the part about "getting to keep your current insurance."
    I am amazed no one has bothered to challenge the Anti-Republicans on this. If everyone is keeping their current insurance--what does this thousand pages of bill change?

    If nothing's changing, how is this "reform"?

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    Re: Town hall tension: Meeting turns ugly over health care

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    There is no reason for anyone to be angry about healthcare reform because not only are there no details to get upset about, but it has been made clear that anyone who likes their healthcare coverage may keep it. The "anger" is all phony, or perhaps these people are angry because the president is black.
    Read page 16...

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    Re: Town hall tension: Meeting turns ugly over health care

    The summaries posted are short and worth reading. The bill starts by grandfathering in current healthcare plans. It then creates new regulations for health insurance providers such as no denying for pre-existing conditions, no lifetime maximums and minimum required covered treatments. Finally it creates systems that require healthcare for everyone.

    Superficially Obama is correct that it won't change your current healthcare, as it is grandfathered in. However, if passed the plan would have a radical influence on the industry, such an upheaval would certainly effect individual coverage. I see it as a technically true statement, but its misleading if you look at the larger context.

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    Re: Town hall tension: Meeting turns ugly over health care

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    There is no reason for anyone to be angry about healthcare reform because not only are there no details to get upset about, but it has been made clear that anyone who likes their healthcare coverage may keep it. The "anger" is all phony, or perhaps these people are angry because the president is black.
    Your lies ring hollow as usual and your race baiting typical when when you have no intelligent knowledgeable response to make. Click on this link and listen to Obama in his own words. Then go read some of HR 3200 instead of mimicking the party taking points laid out for you by your Messiah in Chief Obama and Pelosi then join real Americans who oppose the National Socialist Movement bfore it's too late for you too.
    obama says; I don't think we're going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately - Google Videos

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    Re: Town hall tension: Meeting turns ugly over health care

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The summaries posted are short and worth reading. The bill starts by grandfathering in current healthcare plans. It then creates new regulations for health insurance providers such as no denying for pre-existing conditions, no lifetime maximums and minimum required covered treatments. Finally it creates systems that require healthcare for everyone.

    Superficially Obama is correct that it won't change your current healthcare, as it is grandfathered in. However, if passed the plan would have a radical influence on the industry, such an upheaval would certainly effect individual coverage. I see it as a technically true statement, but its misleading if you look at the larger context.
    Your heath coverage is "Grandfathered" in.... Kinda.

    SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.

    (a) Grandfathered Health Insurance Coverage Defined- Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term `grandfathered health insurance coverage' means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:

    (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT-

    (A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.
    Read that carefully.. no insurance company can offer new policies after the first day this bill goes into effect,

    (2) LIMITATION ON CHANGES IN TERMS OR CONDITIONS- Subject to paragraph (3) and except as required by law, the issuer does not change any of its terms or conditions, including benefits and cost-sharing, from those in effect as of the day before the first day of Y1.
    Notice that if your insurer changes your coverage in any way, it is no longer "Grandfathered" in.

    The upshot of this bill is that in a short time there won't be any private insurers... just Obamacare, and that is why the fringe(those who have read this POS) are pissed.

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