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    Re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    You didn't make any sense Celtic. Waterboarding is a crime and is illegal in this country. This has nothing to do with "dear leader". Waterboarding is a war crime that we've prosecuted since WW2 and is something we've prosecuted in this country under Reagan.
    We've already had this debate. Search my comments in previous threads on DP to understand the inanity of the AG's political persecution of the CIA.

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    Re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I certainly wouldn't run a business where the employees torture people just because someone told them to. Protecting the torturers is not a good enough excuse to end this investigation.
    You have never and will never run a business, anyway, so there's no way I expect you understand what I'm talking about. Are you even in the work force, yet?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    On prisoners of war. The terrorists warehoused at Gitmo are not prisoners of war, and thus this precedent does not apply.

    Against criminals being interrogated as part of a criminal investigation. The terrorists warehoused at Gitmo are not criminals, confessions are not being sought, and so this precedent also does not apply.

    Torture is torture. Waterboarding is not torture, and even if it were, torturing terrorists violates no international law.
    We're not classifying them as prisoners of war. Even so they're still detainees. The moment we pulled them off the battlefield and took away their weapons is the moment they became our prisoners. Yes torture is still illegal even if it is a terrorist or someone we have held in our prison system. We cover international prisoners under our system of laws that's why we have successfully prosecuted terrorists and have them in our jails in the US.
    If another country held our soldiers as terrorists and tortured them you know damned well we'd be pushing for prosecution. If waterboarding was effective as a use of interrogation we wouldn't need to be pushing it 183 times on one prisoner and 80+ on another. Waterboarding is torture under our laws no matter how many times you try to say otherwise it's still torture.

    If it was a criminal investigation we would be charging them.

    Then you still have the fact that we have tortured people to death at Baghram, Abu Ghraib and Gitmo some even people we got no information out of and never charged or had any idea if they even were terrorists. We are above this celtic I'm sure you can agree that America is supposed to be the beacon for the world and we're above using torture.

    The nazis were some pretty ****ed up people and we refused to torture them.

    George Washington when fighting the british refused to torture. Abe Lincoln also refused to as well.

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    Re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    We've already had this debate. Search my comments in previous threads on DP to understand the inanity of the AG's political persecution of the CIA.
    There's nothing political about investigations of illegal acts or something perceived to be illegal. If they get to the bottom of it we're a better country for it

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    Re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You apparently don't understand what "elements" are and how the facts of each case must establish them beyond a reasonable doubt. Labels like "waterboarding" are meaningless.
    Waterboarding isn't a label. Its a specific act. I know specifically what the definition of torture is under our laws and geneva. Just because the prior administration tried to change it so almost anything but organ failure isn't torture, doesn't make it so.

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    Re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    George Washington when fighting the british refused to torture. Abe Lincoln also refused to as well.
    Organized militaries fighting organized engagements. George Washington hung Major Andre, and Lincoln had the Redlegs.

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    Re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    There's nothing political about investigations of illegal acts or something perceived to be illegal. If they get to the bottom of it we're a better country for it
    Hogwash. The "investigations" of illegal acts by HUAC can hardly be said have made the US a better country, nor can McCarthy's witch hunts.

    Holder's persecution of the CIA is no better than these.

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    Re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Hogwash. The "investigations" of illegal acts by HUAC can hardly be said have made the US a better country, nor can McCarthy's witch hunts.

    Holder's persecution of the CIA is no better than these.
    Joe McCarthy was a great American that did a great service to this country.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Organized militaries fighting organized engagements. George Washington hung Major Andre, and Lincoln had the Redlegs.
    Major Andre was given a trial and was executed. Not torture. What did Lincoln do with the redlegs?

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    Re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Hogwash. The "investigations" of illegal acts by HUAC can hardly be said have made the US a better country, nor can McCarthy's witch hunts.

    Holder's persecution of the CIA is no better than these.
    Really you want to compare HUAC's investigation to investigations of torture? One was spurred by exaggerated nationalism. Nothing McCarthy did bettered the country but instead made it more fearful. We're talking about the rule of law here which is something the republicans used to stand for
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