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    re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    What you are seeing here is the pursuit of justice without regard to what the president wants or how it may conflict with what the president wants to do.
    Say what?

    You provide a quote from the article indicating Obama would be amenable to prosecuting individual lawbreakers, then you suggest that Holder is breaking from the president by his proposed prosecution of individual lawbreakers.


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    re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I've only briefly looked at the article... but it seems the proposed investigation has been structured so as to take the widest possible detour AROUND Congress. They are to investigate cases in which CIA personnel exceeded authorized techniques in regard to interrogation. Therefore what Pelosi or Bush or Cheney knew or didn't know about authorized techniques is totally irrelevant.

    In the end, Obama would be able to say that he prosecuted illegal torture, while at the same time avoiding the obvious pitfalls associated with going after the previous administration.

    The CIA has always been a useful whipping boy.

    Pure political calculation. As far as the timing... I don't see what advantage he'd get by delay.

    Of course the whole thing would do nothing in the end but weaken our intelligence services. A trade-off liberal Democrats have demonstrated they're willing to make time and again.

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    Agreed. After watching and listening to the Dems continue to slam the Intelligence Services for doing their jobs,,,they're walking onto thin ice.

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    re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    PBO has to purge CIA. No doubt that there are elements CIA that he feels are a threat to his plans, so he must purge the agency and fill it with operators who he feels are more friendly to the Libbo agenda.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    Exactly. Why punish anybody for simply performing within the scope of their defined roles?
    True. What kind of thinking is being used to "prosecute" the people that questioned,,,this piece of flotsam?

    Waterboarding was then employed "183 times during March 2003" on Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-proclaimed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.

    "It" brags about killing thousands of Americans, and the Lib/Dems are worried about him?

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    re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    PBO has to purge CIA. No doubt that there are elements CIA that he feels are a threat to his plans, so he must purge the agency and fill it with operators who he feels are more friendly to the Libbo agenda.
    Do you wear your tin foil hat all the time, or just most of the time?

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    re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Do you wear your tin foil hat all the time, or just most of the time?
    Prove me wrong. No doubt there are folks in CIA that could really embarress the administration. We saw that when they made Pelosi look like a blithering idiot. They have to be discredited, at least.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    Exactly. Why punish anybody for simply performing within the scope of their defined roles?
    This isn't a very sound line of reasoning.

    There're many valid reasons not to do this and some to do it. However, the 'just following orders' rationale is not among either group.
    I may be wrong.

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    re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    "It" brags about killing thousands of Americans, and the Lib/Dems are worried about him?
    There's no sign of concern for this fella.
    I may be wrong.

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    re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Prove me wrong. No doubt there are folks in CIA that could really embarress the administration. We saw that when they made Pelosi look like a blithering idiot. They have to be discredited, at least.
    You are the one making the claim.

    By the way, the whole Pelosi/CIA thing ended up a draw, since it turned out that the CIA's notes on meetings where definitely not always accurate. See here for details: Pelosi’s Tortured Denials | FactCheck.org

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    re: Criminal investigation into CIA treatment of detainees expected [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    This isn't a very sound line of reasoning.

    There're many valid reasons not to do this and some to do it. However, the 'just following orders' rationale is not among either group.
    "Just folliwng orders", isn't a defense, true, but as hiswoman pointed out it isn't about following, "orders", it's about following the, "rules", as they knew them.

    CIA has been twisting arms since day one and no one has ever gone to jail over it. There was no reason for these agents to think they were conducting themselves in a manner that was contrary to standing SOP and policy of the United States government for over 40 years. You can slap them on the wrist and tell them that's not how we do things anymore, but it's just flat out wrong to prosecute them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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