disneydude
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Its important that we keep Sarah Palin relevant at least until 2012.
Its important that we keep Sarah Palin relevant at least until 2012.
Sarah Palin is just using talking points from other politicians, which is no surprise. There is no death panel except in her head.
My Way News - Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'
I am glad to see Sarah Palin is speaking out and I have coma acrossed a video that tells the truth about Sarah Palin and why we should stand behind and support her. She has created such fear in the hearts and minds of Liberals it's a wonderful thing.
Pajamas TV
wtf? What does she mean by that? Under UHC everyone is worthy of health care. That's the whole point of UHC.
Folks are freaking out. I saw a story on tv the other night where the state of Oregon denied payment for a woman's chemo drugs but sent her a letter offering to pay for assisted suicide instead. :shock: Let me see if I can find it online.....
Hot Air Blog Archive Video: Oregon says no to chemotherapy, offers assisted suicide instead
Apparently it's an older story but I just saw it on tv the other night so it's obviously being hauled out and retold to get folks all worked up.
There are lots of folks who fear they might get similar letters under an Obama plan.
As for me I'd just like to hear some actual details which are quite lacking. It's surprising how for and against Obama's plan folks are when I know next to nothing about it and apparently neither does anyone else.
who here thinks that if someone is diagnosed with Downs syndrome which after birth will become a life long burden on the "Government Health Care System", the decision would be to recommend and force an abortion rather than permitting the person to give birth to someone with a known birth defect.
If you are claiming that this could never happen, you are wallowing in a sea of willful denial.
At DP, lefties tend to bring her up in a mocking way. Righties tend to bring her up in an adoring way. Over the past few months, from my observation, there have been more lefty mocking threads, then right adoring threads. So in a sense, you may be correct, but not in the context that you think,
No, I agree with you. I think the adoring threads stopped around the time of the election loss, or shortly thereafter.
I'm not sure what I think about the following organization because I haven't researched it well yet, but it is nice to see that others who see the problem are trying to do something about it:
What We Stand For | Save the News
Robert W. McChesney is an American professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. He is the Gutgsell Endowed Professor in the Department of Communication. His work concentrates on the history and political economy of communication, emphasizing the role media play in democratic and capitalist societies. He is the President and co-founder of Free Press, a national media reform organization. McChesney also hosts the “Media Matters” weekly radio program every Sunday afternoon on WILL-AM radio, which features left-wing activists such as Naomi Klein and David Niewert
Since 2002, Bob McChesney has hosted Media Matters, a call-in radio show broadcast weekly on WILL-AM. Guests such as Noam Chomsky, Robert Fisk, Danny Schechter, Seymour Hersh, Norman Solomon, Amy Goodman, Howard Zinn, and Gore Vidal discuss the relationship between media and American politics and answer questions from callers
Savethenews.org is a project of Free Press. Free Press was founded by Robert W. McChesney.
Robert W. McChesney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Its current executive director is Josh Silver, a blogger for the Huffington Post.
Seems like this organization might have its own issues with bias.
Except....where do you see an industry that has popped up to exist almost solely to counteract the level of lies, distortions, half-truths, etc.. from the left? Sen. Al Franken would probably be just some writer in New York for SNL if he had not found so much success in pointing out the ridiculous lies and misinformation that comes from people like Limbaugh and FOX. Air America was started to directly counter falsehoods disseminated on talk radio and FOX. Media Matters, FAIR, Think Progress, etc.. have all sprung up as a reaction. Their popularity exists almost exclusively on pointing out, mocking, responding to, etc. the most outrageous of claims.
As I always say mistakes are natural, and people should be given an allowance for making them. I think it is ridiculous to hold something against a politician or public speaker for making honest mistakes. Problem here is that we have people that simply have no shame. It is not just that they tell a simple lie, it is that they tell the extravagant lies over and over. Look at Palin herself who for weeks repeated the whole "Thanks, but no thanks" repeatedly, even after it had been reported numerous times that it was only "No thanks" after there was public uproar and humiliation to this project and it would be canceled. The whole issue with this "Death Panel" just leads us to conclude one of two things; either these people are so woefully inadequate in intelligence that nobody should ever listen to another word of theirs, or they are shameless dishonest liars with no morality or ethics.
This is part of the problem with the whole GOP today. You can not take intelligent or educated people, and boil down complicated issues to simplistic fear tactics based on lies and expect them to buy it. I can not think of any other issue that drives people away, towards the middle, centrist, independent, or even left than the level of complete and outright pulling out the arse B.S. that some on the right do. And it is getting worse and worse, nobody on the right now cares to listen to the intelligent and educated voices who do not need to lie to form an argument, they are being drowned out and pushed away for the infotainment of Limbaughs and Becks. You get rid of the morons like Palin, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and rest and put back the Brooks, Frum, Sullivan, Noonan,
Follow any news cycle, here is how it goes. Event occurs, mainstream reports. Fox, Limbaugh and co. distorts and lies. Then left side picks this up and runs with the lies. The funny thing is lost in all of this are the real conservative voices that given an honest assessment based upon intellectual thought, they have been marginalized because they do not have the same entertainment value as a Hannity.
Where are you getting your info from? Which part of health care reform being proposed dictates the government could force someone to have an abortion?The Orwellian reality here that Palin speaks of is this OBVIOUS point; if Government is making the decisions, who here thinks that if someone is diagnosed with Downs syndrome which after birth will become a life long burden on the "Government Health Care System", the decision would be to recommend and force an abortion rather than permitting the person to give birth to someone with a known birth defect.
From what I understand, what is being proposed is counseling patients on what options they have in regards to what treatment they feel is best for them. I haven't heard anything specifically about abortion, but your claims sounds like a hypothetical theory, not facts.If you are claiming that this could never happen, you are wallowing in a sea of willful denial.
the right doesn't have anything close to a monopoly on hyperbolic idiocy? Take a look at anything on counterpunch/infowars/huffpost/dailykos from 2001-2008 and tell me that they're not equally populated with populist ****heads.
I think this is a good point. The left has plenty of partisan airbags spewing propaganda as "fact". However, the right has excelled at it and, given the popularity of Rush, FOX News, etc. it seems like this style of repeating simplified, damning and often untrue catch phrases or ideas over and over whenever talking about a complex issue is becoming far and away the most popular strategy of the right.
FOX News has a great way of defining themselves as a reaction to the "liberal" media. Very convenient because anyone who disagrees with them can be dismissed as a "left wing nut job". Thorough, intelligent discussion on a topic almost never happens. Guest who disagree with the company position on an issue are dismissed, mocked and often not allowed to complete their thoughts.
I find the state of the news today very disheartening. If I want to hear a good debate on an issue where all participants are articulate, intelligent and where the debate is respectful and all are given enough time to speak their mind I have to watch "Meet the Press" or listen to a few of the shows on NPR. Unfortunately, the propaganda machine, in the form of your Hannities and Olbermans, is a lot more powerful, regardless of how vapid it is. It is scary how many people are making decisions based on organized misinformation.
Sad day when Tim Russert died.
I think this is a good point. The left has plenty of partisan airbags spewing propaganda as "fact". However, the right has excelled at it...
The Palin Woman has already backed off her stupidtism of accusing the Health Care Financing Reform Bill of having a "death panel". I dubbed this blithering idiot The Igloo Girl , but you know that's an insult to igloos.
You concede that this happens to both sides, but then claim that it's far worse for your opponents. You provide nothing to support your conclusions (not that there's anything conclusive either way), but nevertheless make sweeping statements.
It's also not a very productive debating technique, because I could just respond with "No, I think the left is worse" and then we're at an impasse where neither of us can support our claims and we're just arguing over who is a bigger liar.
First off, I don't consider the right "my opponents". Only those who spew propaganda instead of news. Secondly, the fact that FOX "news" is the most watched "news" on television is pretty conclusive proof that the right is better at this than the left.