Page 9 of 18 FirstFirst ... 7891011 ... LastLast
Results 81 to 90 of 180

Thread: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

  1. #81
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    My Way News - Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'



    I am glad to see Sarah Palin is speaking out and I have coma acrossed a video that tells the truth about Sarah Palin and why we should stand behind and support her. She has created such fear in the hearts and minds of Liberals it's a wonderful thing.

    Pajamas TV
    Last I checked, Palin couldn't last 1 term as governor. Am I supposed to care what this non-factor thinks?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  2. #82
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Ventura California
    Last Seen
    11-15-11 @ 11:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    8,706

    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    wtf? What does she mean by that? Under UHC everyone is worthy of health care. That's the whole point of UHC.
    But this isn't true. But alas, if you are a gullible willing supplicant of Government largess, then I can see how you would desperately argue to become a ward of the State.

    The REALITY is that UHC does indeed limit what is covered under the plan and their decisions result in less specialization, doctor shortages and long waiting lists for specialized care and operations.

    The reasons are OBVIOUS only to those who do not desperately cling to the fantasy that Governments are well managed cost effective systems that are better equipped to decide what is best for its citizens.

    Isn’t it funny how under Bush many Liberals where highly skeptical of Government and anti-Government now wish to suggest that Government is the best source to handle our healthcare needs and should be trusted?

  3. #83
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Ventura California
    Last Seen
    11-15-11 @ 11:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    8,706

    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Folks are freaking out. I saw a story on tv the other night where the state of Oregon denied payment for a woman's chemo drugs but sent her a letter offering to pay for assisted suicide instead. Let me see if I can find it online.....

    Hot Air Blog Archive Video: Oregon says no to chemotherapy, offers assisted suicide instead

    Apparently it's an older story but I just saw it on tv the other night so it's obviously being hauled out and retold to get folks all worked up.

    There are lots of folks who fear they might get similar letters under an Obama plan.

    As for me I'd just like to hear some actual details which are quite lacking. It's surprising how for and against Obama's plan folks are when I know next to nothing about it and apparently neither does anyone else.
    All one needs to know is that the Government wants to involve itself in our healthcare decisions, thinks it can insure 45 million currently uninsured Americans and illegal immigrants without increasing taxes and that currently this Government is close to bankrupt and doesn’t have the money to pay for such a plan.

    The notion that more information is required to comprehend how this will be a disaster is funny.

    Of course if you wish to argue and provide evidence how Government managed plans are fiscally responsible, incorruptible and well managed, I am all eyes and ears.

  4. #84
    Girthless
    RightinNYC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    New York, NY
    Last Seen
    01-23-11 @ 11:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    25,894

    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    who here thinks that if someone is diagnosed with Downs syndrome which after birth will become a life long burden on the "Government Health Care System", the decision would be to recommend and force an abortion rather than permitting the person to give birth to someone with a known birth defect.

    If you are claiming that this could never happen, you are wallowing in a sea of willful denial.
    If you claim that this would ever happen, you are wallowing in a sea of making **** up without any regard for reality.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

  5. #85
    Filmmaker Lawyer Patriot
    Harshaw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:44 AM
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    29,560

    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    At DP, lefties tend to bring her up in a mocking way. Righties tend to bring her up in an adoring way. Over the past few months, from my observation, there have been more lefty mocking threads, then right adoring threads. So in a sense, you may be correct, but not in the context that you think,
    No, I agree with you. I think the adoring threads stopped around the time of the election loss, or shortly thereafter.
    “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson.”-- Bernadine Dohrn

  6. #86
    User
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Last Seen
    08-11-09 @ 02:55 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    11

    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    After hearing another misleading story about the proposed health care plan, I realized the problem I have with the political right is not their policies, some of which, like gun rights, I support very strongly. It is that their strategy for dealing with opposing viewpoints is not open debate (the American way), but instead to try to shut down debate (as we have seen at the protests at town hall meeting about health care) and flood the media with distortions and outright LIES! Here are just three fact checked examples for the last few days:

    False Euthanasia Claims | FactCheck.org

    Cash for Clunkers | FactCheck.org

    CPR Administers Bad Facts, Again | FactCheck.org

    I'm not sure what I think about the following organization because I haven't researched it well yet, but it is nice to see that others who see the problem are trying to do something about it:

    What We Stand For | Save the News

    I do think it is very dangerous to our democracy that blindly partisan ideologues are masquerading as Newsmen! Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh (just to name a few) are propaganda pushers, pretending to be Newscasters with the public's best interest at heart. To be fair, recently some have popped up on the left as well. Keith Olbermann and the rest of the MSNBC crowd are just as crappy "Non-News" as the Fox goons are. Don't get me wrong; I have no problem with these folks sharing their opinions and exercising their free speech. I just have a problem with them doing it while pretending to be newscasters. What scares me is that FOX and MSNBC are the two most popular news sources!

    I really think this is one of the biggest problems facing our country today.

  7. #87
    Global Moderator
    I'm a Jedi Master, Yo

    CaptainCourtesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    152,711

    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, I agree with you. I think the adoring threads stopped around the time of the election loss, or shortly thereafter.
    For the most part, with the exception of a few stragglers here and there, you are correct.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

    ====||:-D

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

  8. #88
    Girthless
    RightinNYC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    New York, NY
    Last Seen
    01-23-11 @ 11:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    25,894

    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by HematomaJoe View Post
    I'm not sure what I think about the following organization because I haven't researched it well yet, but it is nice to see that others who see the problem are trying to do something about it:

    What We Stand For | Save the News
    Savethenews.org is a project of Free Press. Free Press was founded by Robert W. McChesney.

    Robert W. McChesney is an American professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. He is the Gutgsell Endowed Professor in the Department of Communication. His work concentrates on the history and political economy of communication, emphasizing the role media play in democratic and capitalist societies. He is the President and co-founder of Free Press, a national media reform organization. McChesney also hosts the “Media Matters” weekly radio program every Sunday afternoon on WILL-AM radio, which features left-wing activists such as Naomi Klein and David Niewert
    Since 2002, Bob McChesney has hosted Media Matters, a call-in radio show broadcast weekly on WILL-AM. Guests such as Noam Chomsky, Robert Fisk, Danny Schechter, Seymour Hersh, Norman Solomon, Amy Goodman, Howard Zinn, and Gore Vidal discuss the relationship between media and American politics and answer questions from callers
    Robert W. McChesney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Its current executive director is Josh Silver, a blogger for the Huffington Post.

    Seems like this organization might have its own issues with bias.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

  9. #89
    User
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Last Seen
    08-11-09 @ 02:55 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    11

    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Thanks for the background, RightinNYC. Seems like they might, it will be interesting to see if the organization goes anywhere. Regardless, the battling right and left wing propaganda giants posing as news organizations are tearing our country apart.

    In regards to Palin's comment, it seems typically uninformed, divisive and fear mongering. She really doesn't have any place in national politics. I think it is odd when I hear people say that McCain being "too liberal" cost the Republicans the election. Nothing could be further from the truth. The election was decided by independents like myself. I was seriously considering McCain until he picked Palin. She just doesn't have the smarts, temperament or experience to operate at the national level and never should have been asked. I do feel bad for her because the media has used her as a punching bag, which is easy as she is so out of her league. It's cruel, like calling a second grader up to the front of the class to attempt a calculus problem, and then making fun of him when he doesn't know how.

  10. #90
    Educator sam_w's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    09-24-09 @ 04:43 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    724

    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Savethenews.org is a project of Free Press. Free Press was founded by Robert W. McChesney.





    Robert W. McChesney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Its current executive director is Josh Silver, a blogger for the Huffington Post.

    Seems like this organization might have its own issues with bias.
    Except....where do you see an industry that has popped up to exist almost solely to counteract the level of lies, distortions, half-truths, etc.. from the left? Sen. Al Franken would probably be just some writer in New York for SNL if he had not found so much success in pointing out the ridiculous lies and misinformation that comes from people like Limbaugh and FOX. Air America was started to directly counter falsehoods disseminated on talk radio and FOX. Media Matters, FAIR, Think Progress, etc.. have all sprung up as a reaction. Their popularity exists almost exclusively on pointing out, mocking, responding to, etc. the most outrageous of claims.

    As I always say mistakes are natural, and people should be given an allowance for making them. I think it is ridiculous to hold something against a politician or public speaker for making honest mistakes. Problem here is that we have people that simply have no shame. It is not just that they tell a simple lie, it is that they tell the extravagant lies over and over. Look at Palin herself who for weeks repeated the whole "Thanks, but no thanks" repeatedly, even after it had been reported numerous times that it was only "No thanks" after there was public uproar and humiliation to this project and it would be canceled. The whole issue with this "Death Panel" just leads us to conclude one of two things; either these people are so woefully inadequate in intelligence that nobody should ever listen to another word of theirs, or they are shameless dishonest liars with no morality or ethics.

    This is part of the problem with the whole GOP today. You can not take intelligent or educated people, and boil down complicated issues to simplistic fear tactics based on lies and expect them to buy it. I can not think of any other issue that drives people away, towards the middle, centrist, independent, or even left than the level of complete and outright pulling out the arse B.S. that some on the right do. And it is getting worse and worse, nobody on the right now cares to listen to the intelligent and educated voices who do not need to lie to form an argument, they are being drowned out and pushed away for the infotainment of Limbaughs and Becks. You get rid of the morons like Palin, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and rest and put back the Brooks, Frum, Sullivan, Noonan,

    Follow any news cycle, here is how it goes. Event occurs, mainstream reports. Fox, Limbaugh and co. distorts and lies. Then left side picks this up and runs with the lies. The funny thing is lost in all of this are the real conservative voices that given an honest assessment based upon intellectual thought, they have been marginalized because they do not have the same entertainment value as a Hannity.

Page 9 of 18 FirstFirst ... 7891011 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •