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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

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    The same way that Stalin forced abortions in the Ukraine.
    Good lord.

    The sad thing is that you are actually serious.

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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

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    I am amused whenever I see an argument that attempts to claim that Governments don't have much higher administrative costs than Private companies of any type or that Governments don't push up the costs of everything in general.

    Please provide us with some credible evidence where this is the case.
    Compare International Medical Bills : NPR

    Look at the comparisons, the US is already spending more per person on healthcare than anyother industrialized nation.

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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Good lord.

    The sad thing is that you are actually serious.
    Do you even know what happened in the Ukraine in the 30's?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you even know what happened in the Ukraine in the 30's?
    Yeah I do and your comparison is idiotic. The fact that you are even trying to further your assertion into a discussion like it's a legitimate debate topic makes it even more idiotic.

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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Compare International Medical Bills : NPR

    Look at the comparisons, the US is already spending more per person on healthcare than anyother industrialized nation.
    Nice factoid you have, sadly it will be ignored by them in .001 seconds.

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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Got source?
    You mean that you aren't familiar with what's in the bill and you support it's passing? What do you do for a living? Do you work for, or even operate a small company that my not be able to afford any of this, in this economy?

    Businesses have a choice, alright. The choice in to either elect to purchase health insurance that is suitable--by the government's standard--or they can just pay the taxes. It's a bum steer, either way and will result in businesses folding and people being put out of work.

    I have 10 employees that average a combined salary of about 350 grand a year. $350,000 x 4% = $14,000 I did it with a calculater, so I know it's not ****ed up. I can opt to be a non-elected employer, or I could go the elected employer option in section 411 and pay somewhere around 30 grand a year for insurance plans, or more.

    So, are there any good things in the bill; that you can actually point to, that is?


    SEC. 411. ELECTION TO SATISFY HEALTH COVERAGE PARTICIPATION REQUIREMENTS.
    (a) In General- Chapter 43 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following new section:
    `SEC. 4980H. ELECTION WITH RESPECT TO HEALTH COVERAGE PARTICIPATION REQUIREMENTS.
    `(a) Election of Employer Responsibility To Provide Health Coverage-
    `(1) IN GENERAL- Subsection (b) shall apply to any employer with respect to whom an election under paragraph (2) is in effect.
    `(2) TIME AND MANNER- An employer may make an election under this paragraph at such time and in such form and manner as the Secretary may prescribe.
    `(3) AFFILIATED GROUPS- In the case of any employer which is part of a group of employers who are treated as a single employer under subsection (b), (c), (m), or (o) of section 414, the election under paragraph (2) shall be made by such person as the Secretary may provide. Any such election, once made, shall apply to all members of such group.
    `(4) SEPARATE ELECTIONS- Under regulations prescribed by the Secretary, separate elections may be made under paragraph (2) with respect to–
    `(A) separate lines of business, and
    `(B) full-time employees and employees who are not full-time employees.
    `(5) TERMINATION OF ELECTION IN CASES OF SUBSTANTIAL NONCOMPLIANCE- The Secretary may terminate the election of any employer under paragraph (2) if the Secretary (in coordination with the Health Choices Commissioner) determines that such employer is in substantial noncompliance with the health coverage participation requirements.
    `(b) Excise Tax With Respect to Failure To Meet Health Coverage Participation Requirements-
    `(1) IN GENERAL- In the case of any employer who fails (during any period with respect to which the election under subsection (a) is in effect) to satisfy the health coverage participation requirements with respect to any employee to whom such election applies, there is hereby imposed on each such failure with respect to each such employee a tax of $100 for each day in the period beginning on the date such failure first occurs and ending on the date such failure is corrected.
    `(2) LIMITATIONS ON AMOUNT OF TAX-
    `(A) TAX NOT TO APPLY WHERE FAILURE NOT DISCOVERED EXERCISING REASONABLE DILIGENCE- No tax shall be imposed by paragraph (1) on any failure during any period for which it is established to the satisfaction of the Secretary that the employer neither knew, nor exercising reasonable diligence would have known, that such failure existed.
    `(B) TAX NOT TO APPLY TO FAILURES CORRECTED WITHIN 30 DAYS- No tax shall be imposed by paragraph (1) on any failure if–
    `(i) such failure was due to reasonable cause and not to willful neglect, and
    `(ii) such failure is corrected during the 30-day period beginning on the 1st date that the employer knew, or exercising reasonable diligence would have known, that such failure existed.
    `(C) OVERALL LIMITATION FOR UNINTENTIONAL FAILURES- In the case of failures which are due to reasonable cause and not to willful neglect, the tax imposed by subsection (a) for failures during the taxable year of the employer shall not exceed the amount equal to the lesser of–
    `(i) 10 percent of the aggregate amount paid or incurred by the employer (or predecessor employer) during the preceding taxable year for employment-based health plans, or
    `(ii) $500,000.
    SEC. 412. RESPONSIBILITIES OF NONELECTING EMPLOYERS.
    (a) In General- Section 3111 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by redesignating subsection (c) as subsection (d) and by inserting after subsection (b) the following new subsection:
    `(c) Employers Electing to Not Provide Health Benefits-
    `(1) IN GENERAL- In addition to other taxes, there is hereby imposed on every nonelecting employer an excise tax, with respect to having individuals in his employ, equal to 8 percent of the wages (as defined in section 3121(a)) paid by him with respect to employment (as defined in section 3121(b)).
    `(2) SPECIAL RULES FOR SMALL EMPLOYERS-
    `(A) IN GENERAL- In the case of any employer who is small employer for any calendar year, paragraph (1) shall be applied by substituting the applicable percentage determined in accordance with the following table for `8 percent’:
    ———————————————————————————————————————
    ———————————————————————————————————————
    `If the annual payroll of such employer for the preceding calendar year: The applicable percentage is:
    Does not exceed $250,000 0 percent
    Exceeds $250,000, but does not exceed $300,000 2 percent
    Exceeds $300,000, but does not exceed $350,000 4 percent
    Exceeds $350,000, but does not exceed $400,000 6 percent

    ———————————————————————————————————————
    `(B) SMALL EMPLOYER- For purposes of this paragraph, the term `small employer’ means any employer for any calendar year if the annual payroll of such employer for the preceding calendar year does not exceed $400,000.
    `(C) ANNUAL PAYROLL- For purposes of this paragraph, the term `annual payroll’ means, with respect to any employer for any calendar year, the aggregate wages (as defined in section 3121(a)) paid by him with respect to employment (as defined in section 3121(b)) during such calendar year.
    `(3) NONELECTING EMPLOYER- For purposes of paragraph (1), the term `nonelecting employer’ means any employer for any period with respect to which such employer does not have an election under section 4980H(a) in effect.
    `(4) SPECIAL RULE FOR SEPARATE ELECTIONS- In the case of an employer who makes a separate election described in section 4980H(a)(4) for any period, paragraph (1) shall be applied for such period by taking into account only the wages paid to employees who are not subject to such election.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You mean that you aren't familiar with what's in the bill and you support it's passing? What do you do for a living? Do you work for, or even operate a small company that my not be able to afford any of this, in this economy?

    Businesses have a choice, alright. The choice in to either elect to purchase health insurance that is suitable--by the government's standard--or they can just pay the taxes. It's a bum steer, either way and will result in businesses folding and people being put out of work.

    I have 10 employees that average a combined salary of about 350 grand a year. $350,000 x 4% = $14,000 I did it with a calculater, so I know it's not ****ed up. I can opt to be a non-elected employer, or I could go the elected employer option in section 411 and pay somewhere around 30 grand a year for insurance plans, or more.

    So, are there any good things in the bill; that you can actually point to, that is?
    If all of your competitors have to pay this too then the increase will be passed on to the consumer.
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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Palin is being stupid, she must think that being stupid got GWB elected, and that it should work for her as well....
    Reality of it is, if the DEMS screw up as the GOP did in its 8 years in office, it can happen. We can have a ditzy president all over again....

    ain't politics wonderful?
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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Folks are freaking out. I saw a story on tv the other night where the state of Oregon denied payment for a woman's chemo drugs but sent her a letter offering to pay for assisted suicide instead. Let me see if I can find it online.....

    Hot Air Blog Archive Video: Oregon says no to chemotherapy, offers assisted suicide instead

    Apparently it's an older story but I just saw it on tv the other night so it's obviously being hauled out and retold to get folks all worked up.

    There are lots of folks who fear they might get similar letters under an Obama plan.

    As for me I'd just like to hear some actual details which are quite lacking. It's surprising how for and against Obama's plan folks are when I know next to nothing about it and apparently neither does anyone else.
    I didn't think that a 'BLOG' can be substituted for a real news story.
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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Maybe not now, but when John "One heart attack away" McCain was running for president, you guys were scared. You can't deny that.
    I do not believe that the ANTI-PALIN people were afraid of the Igloo but I am sure that they were afraid for the country if John bit the dust and the woman who thought that a comedian was the prsident of France was one heart beat away.
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