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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Hey, I'm new to this site, how do you "thank" someone? Regardless, thanks Sam_W, for your thoughtful post.

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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Except....where do you see an industry that has popped up to exist almost solely to counteract the level of lies, distortions, half-truths, etc.. from the left? Sen. Al Franken would probably be just some writer in New York for SNL if he had not found so much success in pointing out the ridiculous lies and misinformation that comes from people like Limbaugh and FOX. Air America was started to directly counter falsehoods disseminated on talk radio and FOX. Media Matters, FAIR, Think Progress, etc.. have all sprung up as a reaction. Their popularity exists almost exclusively on pointing out, mocking, responding to, etc. the most outrageous of claims.

    As I always say mistakes are natural, and people should be given an allowance for making them. I think it is ridiculous to hold something against a politician or public speaker for making honest mistakes. Problem here is that we have people that simply have no shame. It is not just that they tell a simple lie, it is that they tell the extravagant lies over and over. Look at Palin herself who for weeks repeated the whole "Thanks, but no thanks" repeatedly, even after it had been reported numerous times that it was only "No thanks" after there was public uproar and humiliation to this project and it would be canceled. The whole issue with this "Death Panel" just leads us to conclude one of two things; either these people are so woefully inadequate in intelligence that nobody should ever listen to another word of theirs, or they are shameless dishonest liars with no morality or ethics.

    This is part of the problem with the whole GOP today. You can not take intelligent or educated people, and boil down complicated issues to simplistic fear tactics based on lies and expect them to buy it. I can not think of any other issue that drives people away, towards the middle, centrist, independent, or even left than the level of complete and outright pulling out the arse B.S. that some on the right do. And it is getting worse and worse, nobody on the right now cares to listen to the intelligent and educated voices who do not need to lie to form an argument, they are being drowned out and pushed away for the infotainment of Limbaughs and Becks. You get rid of the morons like Palin, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and rest and put back the Brooks, Frum, Sullivan, Noonan,

    Follow any news cycle, here is how it goes. Event occurs, mainstream reports. Fox, Limbaugh and co. distorts and lies. Then left side picks this up and runs with the lies. The funny thing is lost in all of this are the real conservative voices that given an honest assessment based upon intellectual thought, they have been marginalized because they do not have the same entertainment value as a Hannity.
    This is wrong on so many fronts.

    You argue that because there is no cottage industry that has developed around pointing out the lies of the left, the left is obviously being more honest. That's such a huge logical leap that it's hard to even imagine how you arrived there.

    First, there is such a cottage industry. See Newsbusters, Pajamas Media, HotAir, etc.

    Second, even if there weren't, the fact that there was a market for writers that smugly point out errors made by conservatives doesn't prove much beyond the fact that liberals like to watch things like that.

    You then turn to the fact that there is a non-trivial portion of the population who believes in ludicrous claims like Palin's death panel nonsense, and use that to conclude that conservatives are somehow disproportionately stupid or uneducated.

    Setting aside the fact that actual things like "facts" disprove your end conclusion, are you so narrow-minded as to forget that the right doesn't have anything close to a monopoly on hyperbolic idiocy? Take a look at anything on counterpunch/infowars/huffpost/dailykos from 2001-2008 and tell me that they're not equally populated with populist ****heads.

    If you want to criticize people who take a complex issue and boil it down to something simplistic that fits their own views, you might want to take a hard look at your last post.
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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The Orwellian reality here that Palin speaks of is this OBVIOUS point; if Government is making the decisions, who here thinks that if someone is diagnosed with Downs syndrome which after birth will become a life long burden on the "Government Health Care System", the decision would be to recommend and force an abortion rather than permitting the person to give birth to someone with a known birth defect.
    Where are you getting your info from? Which part of health care reform being proposed dictates the government could force someone to have an abortion?

    If you are claiming that this could never happen, you are wallowing in a sea of willful denial.
    From what I understand, what is being proposed is counseling patients on what options they have in regards to what treatment they feel is best for them. I haven't heard anything specifically about abortion, but your claims sounds like a hypothetical theory, not facts.

    As for Palin, her claim has been fact checked and found to be false.
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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    [QUOTE=RightinNYC;1058184888]the right doesn't have anything close to a monopoly on hyperbolic idiocy? Take a look at anything on counterpunch/infowars/huffpost/dailykos from 2001-2008 and tell me that they're not equally populated with populist ****heads.

    I think this is a good point. The left has plenty of partisan airbags spewing propaganda as "fact". However, the right has excelled at it and, given the popularity of Rush, FOX News, etc. it seems like this style of repeating simplified, damning and often untrue catch phrases or ideas over and over whenever talking about a complex issue is becoming far and away the most popular strategy of the right.

    FOX News has a great way of defining themselves as a reaction to the "liberal" media. Very convenient because anyone who disagrees with them can be dismissed as a "left wing nut job". Thorough, intelligent discussion on a topic almost never happens. Guest who disagree with the company position on an issue are dismissed, mocked and often not allowed to complete their thoughts.

    I find the state of the news today very disheartening. If I want to hear a good debate on an issue where all participants are articulate, intelligent and where the debate is respectful and all are given enough time to speak their mind I have to watch "Meet the Press" or listen to a few of the shows on NPR. Unfortunately, the propaganda machine, in the form of your Hannities and Olbermans, is a lot more powerful, regardless of how vapid it is. It is scary how many people are making decisions based on organized misinformation.

    Sad day when Tim Russert died.

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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by HematomaJoe View Post
    I think this is a good point. The left has plenty of partisan airbags spewing propaganda as "fact". However, the right has excelled at it...
    Do you see why others might have a hard time believing what you're saying here? You concede that this happens to both sides, but then claim that it's far worse for your opponents. You provide nothing to support your conclusions (not that there's anything conclusive either way), but nevertheless make sweeping statements.

    It's also not a very productive debating technique, because I could just respond with "No, I think the left is worse" and then we're at an impasse where neither of us can support our claims and we're just arguing over who is a bigger liar.
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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    The Palin Woman has already backed off her stupidtism of accusing the Health Care Financing Reform Bill of having a "death panel". I dubbed this blithering idiot The Igloo Girl , but you know that's an insult to igloos. Someone must have drawn some pictures for The Palin Woman to look at so she can see that there is no provision for "death panels" in the 'health bill" that must be the reason why the idiot is backing off a bit.

    Look people if anyone could have gotten away with 'death panels' we in the health insurance indistry would have since that would have saved us money. LOL I am joking of course
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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    The Palin Woman has already backed off her stupidtism of accusing the Health Care Financing Reform Bill of having a "death panel". I dubbed this blithering idiot The Igloo Girl , but you know that's an insult to igloos.
    How about "Iglor"?
    It's a cross between igloos and Egor, whom she bears a passing resemblance to, at least in my eyes. I believe it's the hunchiness, and the weird facial tics.

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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You concede that this happens to both sides, but then claim that it's far worse for your opponents. You provide nothing to support your conclusions (not that there's anything conclusive either way), but nevertheless make sweeping statements.

    It's also not a very productive debating technique, because I could just respond with "No, I think the left is worse" and then we're at an impasse where neither of us can support our claims and we're just arguing over who is a bigger liar.
    First off, I don't consider the right "my opponents". Only those who spew propaganda instead of news. Secondly, the fact that FOX "news" is the most watched "news" on television is pretty conclusive proof that the right is better at this than the left. As I have stated many times, I consider Keith Olberman equally wrong and anti-American. My main concern is that retarded screaming heads seem much popular than thoughtful debate. Wait, there is a great SNL skit here somewhere involving a new FOX program and the incredible hulk.

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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Quote Originally Posted by HematomaJoe View Post
    First off, I don't consider the right "my opponents". Only those who spew propaganda instead of news. Secondly, the fact that FOX "news" is the most watched "news" on television is pretty conclusive proof that the right is better at this than the left.
    No, it's not.

    Setting aside the fact that viewership among a small segment is a poor proxy for support, a large part of the reason why Fox is more popular than the other networks is because it has a larger share of its target market, while the other networks are forced to split theirs.

    Imagine a town that likes ice cream. 70% like vanilla and 30% like chocolate. Now imagine that there is only one supplier of chocolate ice cream, but 5 suppliers of vanilla, each of whom controls 10-20% of the 70% share of vanilla.

    The supplier of chocolate ice cream will be the largest supplier in the town. Does that mean that the majority of the town likes chocolate?
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    Re: Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

    Man it didn't take the irrelvant quitter long to show her true colors with this "Death panel" fearmonger scare tatic crap...along with again using her child as a prop to rile the angry scared mob with the trash.

    She is now she is backtracking....what a trash talking hussy failure. What a Mavrick.

    She deserves no more comment...
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