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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    The issue isnt the impovement, or even that the CARS program isnt a good idea -- the issue is the Obamanistas not criticizing The Obama for subsidizing SUV purchases, and/or their not blaming Him for the increased demand on gas that the SUVs He subsidized will create.
    If the newer SUVs are more fuel efficient than the old ones where is the increase?

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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    If the newer SUVs are more fuel efficient than the old ones where is the increase?
    I've addressed this 3 or 4 times.

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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I've addressed this 3 or 4 times.
    Humor me and try again

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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Humor me and try again
    Just for you, I will refer you to myself:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058186274

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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Think so?
    Then so is the idea that I am arguing that the government should force the whole country into subcompacts.
    So why can I not exaggerate your position when you are flat out lying about mine?


    The issue isnt the impovement, or even that the CARS program isnt a good idea -- the issue is the Obamanistas not criticizing The Obama for subsidizing SUV purchases, and/or their not blaming Him for the increased demand on gas that the SUVs He subsidized will create.
    He is not "subsidizing SUV purchases", he is subsidizing the purchase of newer, more fuel efficient vehicles. Some of those vehicles are SUVs, but they are more fuel efficient SUVs, which means there is a gain.

    If CARS did not allow for trucks and SUVs to be bought, you would be crying about how Obama was discriminating against those who need trucks and SUVs, such as farmers and people with large families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So why can I not exaggerate your position when you are flat out lying about mine?
    I didnt characterize YOUR position, I characterized that of the left.
    Are you REALLY going to argue that the left would NOT like to have everyone drive little cars in lieu of SUVs? And that th eleft is not beyond creating legislation that 'incents' people to do so?

    He is not "subsidizing SUV purchases", he is subsidizing the purchase of newer, more fuel efficient vehicles.
    Including SUVs, which still get terrible gas mileage.
    Unless, of couse, you dont think that 15-18MPG is terrible.
    Thus, he is not only subsidizing SUV purchases, but purchases of vehicles that get terrible gas mileage.

    If CARS did not allow for trucks and SUVs to be bought, you would be crying about how Obama was discriminating against those who need trucks and SUVs, such as farmers and people with large families.
    I cannot thnk of a condition that would make me NOT oppose CARS, and so you argument here is meaningless.

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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I didnt characterize YOUR position, I characterized that of the left.
    Are you REALLY going to argue that the left would NOT like to have everyone drive little cars in lieu of SUVs? And that th eleft is not beyond creating legislation that 'incents' people to do so?
    Alot of people on the left own SUVs and trucks. There are factors other than fuel efficiency that have to be taken into account when deciding what vehicle to purchase.


    Including SUVs, which still get terrible gas mileage.
    Unless, of couse, you dont think that 15-18MPG is terrible.
    Thus, he is not only subsidizing SUV purchases, but purchases of vehicles that get terrible gas mileage.
    No, he is subsidizing the purchase of vehicles that get better gas mileage than the ones currently owned.


    I cannot thnk of a condition that would make me NOT oppose CARS, and so you argument here is meaningless.
    And the best argument you can come up with is totally wrong.

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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Alot of people on the left own SUVs and trucks.
    Ah. Do as I say, not do as I do.

    No, he is subsidizing the purchase of vehicles that get better gas mileage than the ones currently owned.
    The best selling of which are vehicles that get terrible gas mileage.
    And so, The Obama has subsidized the continued purchase of vehicles that get terrible gas mileage.

    Fact:
    If CARS were a GWB program, you and all the other Obamanistas would be sqawking about how its just another pay-off to his Big Oil buddies.

    And the best argument you can come up with is totally wrong.
    Really.
    What IS my "best argument" aaginst CARS?

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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Ah. Do as I say, not do as I do.
    Amazing how you had to leave out part of what I said. Your dishonesty is amazing. let me repeat: there are more factors than fuel mileage that have to be considered when purchasing a vehicle. Is a liberal farmer who needs and owns a pickup be a hypocrite? How about a liberal who uses wood heat and needs a pickup to haul wood?

    The best selling of which are vehicles that get terrible gas mileage.
    And so, The Obama has subsidized the continued purchase of vehicles that get terrible gas mileage.

    Fact:
    If CARS were a GWB program, you and all the other Obamanistas would be sqawking about how its just another pay-off to his Big Oil buddies.
    Again, Obama has subsidized the purchase of more fuel efficient vehicles. By your logic, he should only have included hybrid cars in CARS, which would have been stupid and ineffective.

    By the way, I actually praised Bush when he did things right. It was rare, but did happen. His response right after 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan are two examples that spring to mind. You have not to my knowledge ever given any credit to Obama.


    Really.
    What IS my "best argument" aaginst CARS?
    You have no credible, logical argument against CARS.

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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Amazing how you had to leave out part of what I said. Your dishonesty is amazing. let me repeat: there are more factors than fuel mileage that have to be considered when purchasing a vehicle. Is a liberal farmer who needs and owns a pickup be a hypocrite? How about a liberal who uses wood heat and needs a pickup to haul wood?

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    I own a Tahoe it comes in real handy when hauling photo equipment and or kids around. And MPG sure beats my old blazer.

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