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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And as always, you continue to try and mislead. Check out the title of the thread that you yourself made. While demand for fuel might go up, it is not, as you imply, going to be due to "Cash for Clunkers", which should hopefully reduce fuel demands.
    Still waiting for you to illustrate that false premise.

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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Still waiting for you to illustrate that false premise.
    False, you simply are unwilling to accept my statements. The problem is with you, not me.

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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    False, you simply are unwilling to accept my statements. The problem is with you, not me.


    I graciously accept your concession of the point.

    When you decide to grow a spine and address the questions I asked, please let me know.

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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post


    I graciously accept your concession of the point.

    When you decide to grow a spine and address the questions I asked, please let me know.
    I have a spine. In fact, I am not so spineless that I have to be dishonest to make political points, which is more spine than you have.

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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have a spine. In fact, I am not so spineless that I have to be dishonest to make political points, which is more spine than you have.
    If that were the case, you'd have already answered my questions.

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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So, when gas prices go up again, are the liberals going to blame The Obama for all the new trucks and SUVs on the road, driving up demand?

    Or will they still blame Bush and Cheney?
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I dont have a thing to prove, as I haven't stated a position.

    I did, however, ask two questions.
    Care to answer them?
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Actually, they can - your post is nothing more than a lame attempt to avoid doing so.
    When'd you stop beating your wife Goobieman?

    Come on, answer the question, or are you going to avoid doing so.

    Naturally I'm being sarcastic because the above is essentially what you did. You created a loaded question, based on a flawed premise, and then when people called you on that premise you decided to have a little hissy fit and moan and complain with the fact they, rightfully, won't answer your loaded questions.

    When/If prices for gas goes up again liberals may blame Obama or they may blame Bush, but its unlikely they're going to blame clunkers for cash because it frankly doesn't make sense.

    Clunkers for Cash isn't putting more SUV's or Trucks on the streets in regards to them having an impact on the gas price. Why? Because whatever car they got rid of to get those SUV's and Trucks had WORSE gas mileage than the SUV or Truck and therefore they would actually, in theory, be helping to bring the demand for gas DOWN despite having the SUV and truck.

    So your first question is flawed, illogical, and ignorant, because the new SUV's and Trucks on the road aren't going to drive up demand because they're BETTER gas mileage than the cars they traded in.

    Whether they'll blame Obama or they'll blame Bush/Cheney is beyond me, likely a bit of both, but only ones that are ignorant of facts will blame Cash for Clunkers because of all its issues and potential problems (as Right showed in regards to how they're advertising it and the perception its giving people) taking away a car/truck/suv with low gas mileage and giving them a truck/suv with better gas mileage is not somehow a problem in regards to demadn for gas.

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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Whether they'll blame Obama or they'll blame Bush/Cheney is beyond me, likely a bit of both, but only ones that are ignorant of facts will blame Cash for Clunkers because of all its issues and potential problems (as Right showed in regards to how they're advertising it and the perception its giving people) taking away a car/truck/suv with low gas mileage and giving them a truck/suv with better gas mileage is not somehow a problem in regards to demadn for gas.
    I still dispute the bolded part. A 5 % to 10 % increase in feul millage is not insignificant. It's not as much as some, but certainly has a potential positive impact.

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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I still dispute the bolded part. A 5 % to 10 % increase in feul millage is not insignificant. It's not as much as some, but certainly has a potential positive impact.
    But how many years of use will it take for the fuel saved to outweigh the energy/pollution involved in making the new car and junking the old?

    At the end of the day, this is several billion dollars being spent for the sole benefit of the auto manufacturers and retailers.
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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    When'd you stop beating your wife Goobieman?
    As explained before, that's not a comparable question.

    Naturally I'm being sarcastic because the above is essentially what you did. You created a loaded question, based on a flawed premise,
    You're the second person to make the flawd premise claim.
    At least you're decent enough to try to show how it is flawed.

    When/If prices for gas goes up again liberals may blame Obama or they may blame Bush, but its unlikely they're going to blame clunkers for cash because it frankly doesn't make sense.
    Sure it does.

    Clunkers for cash is selling SUVs and trucks, as noted in the story. The piss-por mileage of SUVs and trucks was the war cry for the left over the last several years, as the price of gas climbed, peaking last year, and th eleft blamed these vehicles for every bit of it.

    If you trade in your 15MPG Suburban for an 18MPG Tahoe, you're still driving an 18 MPG Tahoe, driving up fuel demand over the smaller, more efficent cars that the left had championed -- but, apparently, that's OK because even though the mileage still stinks, its "better".

    Clunkers for Cash isn't putting more SUV's or Trucks on the streets in regards to them having an impact on the gas price. Why? Because whatever car they got rid of to get those SUV's and Trucks had WORSE gas mileage than the SUV or Truck and therefore they would actually, in theory, be helping to bring the demand for gas DOWN despite having the SUV and truck
    Aha!
    THAT is a flawed premise, as "better" gas mileage can still be "piss-poor" gas mileage, and STILL drive up demand.

    That the demand post-CARS might not be as high as demand pre-CARS doesnt in any way preclude post-CARS demand from diving up prices.

    So your first question is flawed, illogical, and ignorant, because the new SUV's and Trucks on the road aren't going to drive up demand because they're BETTER gas mileage than the cars they traded in.
    But, they ARE going to drive it up compared to if the buyers had bought the more fuel efficient cars previously championed by the left, rather than SUVs. CARS allowed for these SUVs to be purchased, and so is to blame for the difference in mileage between those SUVs and the more fuel efficient cars that could have otherwise been specified.

    Under CARS, you can get a SUV or truck with as low as 15MPG. The administratiuon chose to allow that possibility, and so is respobsible for every 15MPG SUV/truck bought under the program, and the demand that these vehicles created over the smaller, more fuel efficent cars the left has been talking about.

    Whether they'll blame Obama or they'll blame Bush/Cheney is beyond me...
    No its not -- you know as well as I do that The Obama will get no blame, and Bush/Cheney will still be villified.

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    Re: Trucks win in Cash for Clunkers game

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    But how many years of use will it take for the fuel saved to outweigh the energy/pollution involved in making the new car and junking the old?

    At the end of the day, this is several billion dollars being spent for the sole benefit of the auto manufacturers and retailers.
    I made a bundle on Ford stock.

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