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Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

angrycarpenter said:
Screw bipartisanship. When Republicans ran things where was bipartisanship? It involved Democrats caving in, that's all. Well now that a few of them have turned the tables, putting the hard lessons learned on keeping a minority powerless they are just way out of line.

What happens when a republican crosses the aisle these days? He is called a traitor and the party promises retaliation in the next election. Republicans killed bipartisanship and have only themselves to blame if they feel left out. If they want a seat at the table they need to tone down the rhetoric and act like reasonable people. As long as they talk like it's the end of the world if any democratic agenda passes they will and should be left out in the cold. Democrats have the majority and they can keep it if they all stop playing nice with the ones who are working only to insure their failure.
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That's not true. The Reps didn't have a fillibuster proof majority. If a bill got passed, it was with a bi-partisan vote.
 
LaMidRighter said:
You guys still do that? I thought it was more of an expression these days. :2wave:
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Haha, when did we stop?
I still have tea in the evening and so does everyone i know ... alot of it, but i've ran out and the shop is closed. Its quite terrifying not having my usual 5cups a day :(
 
apdst said:
Uh, nope.

But, we are puttin' up and puttin' out. The American people, who own the government, are speaking out. They're saying what they want. They want the Libbos to stay out of our lives and our pockets books.
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Why are you preaching to me?

I wasn't aware i was shoving healthcare down Americans throats
 
Laila said:
Haha, when did we stop?
I still have tea in the evening and so does everyone i know ... alot of it, but i've ran out and the shop is closed. Its quite terrifying not having my usual 5cups a day :(
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Nice, you sound like me and coffee, I could just put sugar and cream in the pot and go about the day. The reason I was curious is that we get alot of British oil workers here and they don't mention the tea thing or really do a tea time, but then again that could be a cultural thing and our tea may not be what they are accustomed to. BTW, my favorite tea reference of all time is in Shawn of the Dead. Sorry mods, getting back on topic.:doh
 
LaMidRighter said:
Nice, you sound like me and coffee, I could just put sugar and cream in the pot and go about the day. The reason I was curious is that we get alot of British oil workers here and they don't mention the tea thing or really do a tea time, but then again that could be a cultural thing and our tea may not be what they are accustomed to. BTW, my favorite tea reference of all time is in Shawn of the Dead. Sorry mods, getting back on topic.:doh
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I dislike coffee.
I will only drink if there is no tea but i will overload it with sugar and milk.

I live in the South, pretty traditional here. Not every British person likes tea, just a generalisation. I do bake my own scones, cakes etc. to go with it but that is just because i love sweet things

Love Shawn of the dead, hilarious :)
 
Laila said:
I dislike coffee.
I will only drink if there is no tea but i will overload it with sugar and milk.
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Cafe du Monde in New Orleans if you ever get stateside, will totally change your perception of coffee, it is the best bar none. Okay, now I'll get back on topic.
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Goobieman said:
Not true.
Not even -close- to being true.
But then, when a liberal has an attack to make, the truth is meaningless.

The mess began when lending practices were relaxed so that people who would otherwise be unable to get credit to buy real estate were able to do so, thusly creating a 'sub-prime' credit market. This relaxation was forced upon lenders by liberals, based on the idea that most unworthy applicants were minorities, and that denying thse people was based on race.

And so, "the mess" came from an unsound change in lending prractices, one opposed by those with the most at risk -- the lenders. Had things been left alone, we'd not be in this mess.

The solution? Let everyithing run its course, and then revert to the sound lending practices that would -prevent- a 'sub prime' credit collapse. The idea that only government can fix what's currently wrong is absurd, unsound, unsupportable, and championed only by people that stand to gain personal and/or partisan political power from doing so.


Just like a liberal, to make stuff up just so he could bash the other side.
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Now I understand why in your mind, GWB was a genius!
 
Laila said:
And what am i supposed to write exactly?
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You dont have to write. In the USA just call your congressional representative(public info) and say you want to report some people publicly voicing their opposition to the Obama health care plan. They will forward you to the communications office of the whitehouse where you will be asked for Names, Street addresses, and current location of individuals voicing their opposition.



Sound familiar?
 
akyron said:
Sound familiar?
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Been picking up tips from Brown i see :doh

One good thing is that at least i get to shout at my MP's face to face every week at the surgery
 
disneydude said:
Now I understand why in your mind, GWB was a genius!
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Note that:

1: You do -not- show me how I am wrong
2: You -do- respond with a meaningless, bigoted, partisan, personal attack.

As such, I accept your concession.
 
Goobieman said:
Note that:

1: You do -not- show me how I am wrong
2: You -do- respond with a meaningless, bigoted, partisan, personal attack.

As such, I accept your concession.
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No concession...I learned a long time ago that playing your games isn't worth my time. I do find humor, however, in watching you try to bait others into your "show me yours" and maybe I'll show you mine games.
 
Laila said:
Been picking up tips from Brown i see :doh

One good thing is that at least i get to shout at my MP's face to face every week at the surgery
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Who is Brown? Brownshirts?
 
akyron said:
Who is Brown? Brownshirts?
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No.
My PM ... unfortunately

Can't say i am surprised you don't know who he is, i have trouble remembering too.
 
LaMidRighter said:
No child left behind was an Edward Kennedy bill that former President Bush graciously passed, when it failed G.W. was bashed over the head with the results, that was bi-partisan, medicare part D was passed with bi-partisan support, as well as HIPPAA and COBRA insurance laws, Democrats as well as Republicans voted for action in the middle east, etc. You sure you want to take this position?
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Yes I do, Republicans set the agenda and many democrats went along. That is the only bipartisanship republicans want. Did they listen for a minute to those who opposed their agenda? Did they offer those who opposed the war or the patriot act or any controversial program a seat at the table? They did not and do not be surprised when the opposition to HC reform is frozen out this time. This is the new pattern get used to it.
 
angrycarpenter said:
Yes I do, Republicans set the agenda and many democrats went along.
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Again, Ted Kennedy authored No Child Left Behind and the Republican party gave it to him with little fight, how is that "setting the agenda"
That is the only bipartisanship republicans want. Did they listen for a minute to those who opposed their agenda? Did they offer those who opposed the war or the patriot act or any controversial program a seat at the table?
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Yes, within reason, the Iraq war was heavily debated, so was the Patriot Act, no one in government told the Dems to "shut up" to the best of my knowledge.
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he WANTS half of america to SHUT UP

like a petulant CHILD

that's LEADERSHIP?

LOL!

well, mr leader, you're NOT gonna get your way

so now what're you gonna do?

ATTACK?

how?

your OWN PARTY won't listen to you

and now MORE THAN HALF america is coming to depsise you

real smart, mr NO DRAMA obama

LOLOL!

the most INEPT politician at the national level america has ever seen

tomorrow, he'll SURRENDER

just watch

weakling, coward, petulant, childish, tineared obtuse, petty, small and mean...

exact OPPOSITE of LEADERSHIP anyone could possibly BELIEVE in

the things he SAYS, man

unbelievably oblivious

i wasn't there, i really don't know, but it's my IMPRESSION that, uhhh, the cops acted STUPIDLY

i can, uhhh, pay for 2/3 of all this with SHAVINGS i've miraculoulsly uncovered in wellness/prevention and IT

LOL!

i, uhhh, only have to come up with ONE THIRD of the cost---LOLOL!

insufferable insult to the legacy of LION HEART ted kennedy

dang, the martyr's brother, part time lifeguard, musta been awful DUMB to work so hard for HALF A CENTURY

yet never to have found what THE CHIN in chief so alchemist-like DISCOVERED serendipitously one day under the LINCOLN BED

the THINGS the man SAYS

foreign contingency operations

LOLOLOL!

man made disasters

LOLOL!

this is the IDIOT who once tried to ELIMINATE THE HOME INTEREST MORTGAGE DEDUCTION

the write off for CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS

taxing ENERGY (cap and trade) at BOTH ENDS---PRODUCTION and CONSUMPTION---in the middle of a DEPRESSION

LOLO... (wait, that's NOT funny!)

and now, TODAY---

expand health care to include ILLEGALS

in TIMES like THESE

FINE americans caught breathing without insurance, like criminals

and

i, uhh, need about HALF of you UNITED STATES CITIZENS to, uhhh, well, SHUT the blank UP

LOLOLOL!

or else i'll...

well, i haven't really thought about what i'll do

but i'm the PRESIDENT

don't forget THAT

just look at my CHIN!!!

LOLOLOL!
 
Joe1991 said:
Good for him.

Elections have consequences.

Republicans are acting as if a coup took place.

Your side had eight years of screwing up everything, why not give the guy more than six months to fix it?
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Uhh, let's not and say we did, OK?? Obummer has already proven himself to be a colossial:

a) Disaster

b) Moron

c) Both of the above.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Again, Ted Kennedy authored No Child Left Behind and the Republican party gave it to him with little fight, how is that "setting the agenda"
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from wiki,

The No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 (Pub.L. 107-110, 115 Stat. 1425, enacted January 8, 2002), often abbreviated in print as NCLB and sometimes shortened in pronunciation to "nicklebee",[1] is a United States Act of Congress that was originally proposed by President George W. Bush immediately after taking office.[2] The bill, co-sponsored by Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.), who shepherded the bill through the Senate, was passed by congress with overwhelming bipartisan support.[3] was passed in the House of Representatives on May 23, 2001,[4] United States Senate on June 14, 2001[5] and signed into law on January 8, 2002.
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The president set the agenda, a democrat went along with it. Exactly what I said.

Yes, within reason, the Iraq war was heavily debated, so was the Patriot Act, no one in government told the Dems to "shut up" to the best of my knowledge.
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I think Dennis Kucinich would tell you different. He introduced several resolutions calling for a true accounting of the costs in money and lives as well as investigations into the reasons and rationales for starting the war in the first place. He was voted down, shouted down and all but called a traitor on the floor of the house. He knew we were selling our soul to the defense establishment but he was painted as a looney by the media and his fellow congressmen across the aisle.
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The Prof said:
he WANTS half of america to SHUT UP
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Not even close to half.

Poll: Most Back Public Health Care Option - CBS News

Hardcore conservatives make up about 20%-30% of the population. How is that half?

Every reputable poll I've checked shows at least a small majority support some kind of reform.

He doesn't want half of America to shut up, just the lunatic fringe who would tell any lie to sabotage the clear mandate for a change in the status quo.
 
angrycarpenter said:
Not even close to half.

Poll: Most Back Public Health Care Option - CBS News

Hardcore conservatives make up about 20%-30% of the population. How is that half?

Every reputable poll I've checked shows at least a small majority support some kind of reform.

He doesn't want half of America to shut up, just the lunatic fringe who would tell any lie to sabotage the clear mandate for a change in the status quo.
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Which is Grade A USDA Approved horse****!!! Opposition to the bill is not just by Conservatives, but alot of Democrats do not want this horrible legislation either.
 
Bassman said:
Which is Grade A USDA Approved horse****!!! Opposition to the bill is not just by Conservatives, but alot of Democrats do not want this horrible legislation either.
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You didn't read the link because you don't care what the majority wants. All you know is what you want: for the scary, scary president to fail. Most people want reform, that is a fact. No reputable poll says otherwise. What, do you hate democracy of something?
 
Bassman said:
Which is Grade A USDA Approved horse****!!! Opposition to the bill is not just by Conservatives, but alot of Democrats do not want this horrible legislation either.
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oooooo...really? Care to prove this? I do not seem to see a lot of Democrats opposing reform. I see Democrats debating specific options...is that what you mean?
 
Bassman said:
Folks point being, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Sure we need changes, but not a complete government takeover!!!
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Show us one official link where anyone in power is seriously pushing for a total government run socialized health care system. There isn't one because no one is talking a total government takeover of our health care system.
 
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