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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    strictly speaking single payer is not a socialized medical system the way many European countries have. In a single payer system the government does not own the hospitals nor do they directly employ the doctors, the government simply acts as an insurance company with taxes as the insurance premium. It is a social program but it is not a socialized medical program. I realize this may seem like splitting hairs but it is important to get the terms right.

    Single payer is socialized medical coverage but not socialized medicine. The means of production namely the hospitals and doctors are still privately owned.
    That's good to know. I wonder where the pitfalls lay with such a system. Looks like I'm gonna have to do more homework.

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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    strictly speaking single payer is not a socialized medical system the way many European countries have. In a single payer system the government does not own the hospitals nor do they directly employ the doctors, the government simply acts as an insurance company with taxes as the insurance premium. It is a social program but it is not a socialized medical program. I realize this may seem like splitting hairs but it is important to get the terms right.

    Single payer is socialized medical coverage but not socialized medicine. The means of production namely the hospitals and doctors are still privately owned.
    Either way, I don't want the government in it at all., This is just the first step towards comlplete government takeover!!!


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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    Either way, I don't want the government in it at all., This is just the first step towards comlplete government takeover!!!
    Say that when you apply for medicare or god forbid medicaid. Those are our version of a single payer system. Do you go to a VA hospital? THAT is a socialized medical system.

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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    Say that when you apply for medicare or god forbid medicaid. Those are our version of a single payer system. Do you go to a VA hospital? THAT is a socialized medical system.
    Trust me. The minute I was able to put my family on private insurance through my company, I was relieved!


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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    Trust me. The minute I was able to put my family on private insurance through my company, I was relieved!
    Anyone would be but not all of us have the luxury of an employer who offers insurance. Have you ever priced an individual policy? There are thousands who work like dogs to support families at places that do not offer insurance and does not pay enough to buy an outrageously expensive individual plan. The public option is for those people. It is not socialized medicine it is an attempt to cover hard working people who have been left behind by rising costs and stagnant wages.

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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    Anyone would be but not all of us have the luxury of an employer who offers insurance. Have you ever priced an individual policy? There are thousands who work like dogs to support families at places that do not offer insurance and does not pay enough to buy an outrageously expensive individual plan. The public option is for those people. It is not socialized medicine it is an attempt to cover hard working people who have been left behind by rising costs and stagnant wages.
    So what you do is cut taxes enough for companies to invest. the public "option" is but a gateway into government takeover.


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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    So what you do is cut taxes enough for companies to invest. the public "option" is but a gateway into government takeover.
    This conversation is increasingly off topic. I have been over this with many other people who are sure that the government trying to enslave us with cheap health care but the bottom line is that like the others you just want an argument not enlightenment. So I am going to bed and you can find some other person better informed than you to go around in circles with. But before I go think about cancer, think about a heart attack, Think about you or your family being catastrophically ill and imagine it without coverage. Thousands are in that boat as I speak. Who's going to help them? Health insurance companies?

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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Ok....and who "created" the mess?
    The federal reserve

    Anti-Republican Congressmen?
    you mean a democratic congressmen?
    Republican Congressmen?
    Only in as much as there are a number of congressment of both stripes that are working for the best interest of the federal reserve (through its proxy lobby groups and other corporate interests)

    Insurance companies?
    If you're talking about companies whose business amounts to 'insuring' speculative investments... then yes.

    Doctors?
    Hospitals?
    NO

    AARP?
    Do you mean the 'banker bailour'? If not, then I couldn't tell you...

    If so, the problem was the state of the economy, the reaction was panic on wall street, loss of jobs, loss of confidence, and then threats of martial law... the SOLUTION was to give the same people that created the crisis the most benefit at the cost of the general public.

    Pharmaceutical companies?
    These represent their own problems that are beyond the scope of this thread.

    Who exactly is responsible for the "mess"? What exactly is the "mess"?
    This 'mess' has been in the making for a LONG time... though it DIRECTLY relates with the actions of the federal reserves policies of attempting to control the economy. Whether deliberately or incompetently they are the cause.

    The 'mess' we're in at this point is that we have our public government running private corporations now, which IS fascism in no uncertain terms. All that's really left is a massive clampdown on police and military against the people, the 'camps', secret police, and profiling people..... wait a second, those are already there now too... I guess it'll only become obvious if and when people start dying en masse that will remove all doubt.

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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Loose lips sinks ships.
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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    He really ought to take his own Words to Heart...

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