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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    There! ya happy?!?!
    that was 2003 the year is now 2009. Obama has little to do with what is in the proposed bill. He simply asked congress to put a bill on his desk by the end of the year. try again.

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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Funny that was the message from the Bush Whitehouse for 6 long years.

    We're you so worried then?

    What the Republicans refuse to understand is that in our country the WINNING party governs and the second place winners are supposed to monitor and conduct themselves as a function of overseeing the Ruling party
    With OVERSIGHT. Not anger..not petty whining, some racial, because they lost. They lost through fault of their own. No matter how much they want too blame everybody else.

    OVERSIGHT, Again something the previous adminstration neglected to provide Americans.
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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    that was 2003 the year is now 2009. Obama has little to do with what is in the proposed bill. He simply asked congress to put a bill on his desk by the end of the year. try again.
    Doesn't matter. Queen Bee Piglosi and Dingy Harry Reid and the rest of the Leftist ilk all share the same vision!


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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    Doesn't matter. Queen Bee Piglosi and Dingy Harry Reid and the rest of the Leftist ilk all share the same vision!
    Again no one is talking a government run monopoly. If that is what you fear then your fears are groundless. Single payer is not even close to being a socialized medical system and even that may die before it is all over with.

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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    Not even close to half.

    Poll: Most Back Public Health Care Option - CBS News

    Hardcore conservatives make up about 20%-30% of the population. How is that half?

    Every reputable poll I've checked shows at least a small majority support some kind of reform.

    He doesn't want half of America to shut up, just the lunatic fringe who would tell any lie to sabotage the clear mandate for a change in the status quo.
    the president of the united states shouldn't be telling any americans to shut up, hello

    it's suicide politics

    those aren't "hard core conservatives" at those town meetings, they're NORMAL americans

    SENIORS are FREAKING over their heartfelt FEARS

    talk to your parents

    and ALL their friends

    as for approvals, he has plunged in his personals like a pit in every poll this period

    and on particulars, he's getting PULVERIZED

    quinnipiac produced a plebiscite THIS WEEK that had SEVENTY TWO PERCENT saying they DON'T BELIEVE HIM when he says he can extend insurance to 50 or so million (1/3 of them ILLEGALS) without significantly increasing the deficit

    and by 57 to 37 americans said they didn't want health care if it added to the debt

    that's syllogism, sir

    by telling americans with whom he happens to disagree that they need to shut up and get out of his way, or be ratted out by their neighbors for saying FISHY stuff, he takes normal political opposition and turns it into RAGE

    how would you feel if i spoke to YOU like that

    and i'm not even POTUS, i'm just lil ol cliffy

    unbelievable

    he's killing himself

    THIS is why bluedogs won't play

    his OWN PARTY's CBO

    blue governors like bill richardson, christine gregoire, bill ritter, phil bredeson

    the freshman formation led by jared polis

    the progressive posse, pronounced by ms woolsey

    the most INEPT politician i've ever seen, obtuse obama, and i've seen em all

    sorry

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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by StanFromBallotBox View Post
    The fact of the matter is this: Barack Obama does not want dissent. Community organizing is cool only when it furthers liberal causes.

    I find his desire for certain people to simple "be quiet" quite disturbing. I have a feeling we are going to see more of his totalitarian tendencies ooze out as the debate over health care reform continues.
    C'mon. You guys know that's not what he means. Sure, it's good, old fashioned politicing out on the stomp, but all he's saying is "if all you're going to do is talk a good talk, whine, complain, and do a whole lot of nothin', move out the way and let me do my job."

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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    Again no one is talking a government run monopoly. If that is what you fear then your fears are groundless. Single payer is not even close to being a socialized medical system and even that may die before it is all over with.
    Oh yes you are!!! Single payer IS Socialized medicine!!!


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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    C'mon. You guys know that's not what he means
    LOLOLOL!

    presidents don't get interpreters

    they must speak prudently

    that is, they're responsible

    sorry

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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not true.
    Not even -close- to being true.
    But then, when a liberal has an attack to make, the truth is meaningless.

    The mess began when lending practices were relaxed so that people who would otherwise be unable to get credit to buy real estate were able to do so, thusly creating a 'sub-prime' credit market.
    And who relaxed those practises? Who deregulated the real estate market?

    This relaxation was forced upon lenders by liberals, based on the idea that most unworthy applicants were minorities, and that denying thse people was based on race.
    Interesting you should say that considering that according to July 2008 foreclosure statistics most of the foreclosures from the subprime market are in CA, FL, NV and AZ, states that don't have very dense minority population groups.

    And so, "the mess" came from an unsound change in lending prractices, one opposed by those with the most at risk -- the lenders. Had things been left alone, we'd not be in this mess.
    That's not entirely true. No, most of the major banks and mortgage lenders didn't want to do subprime mortgages at first, but once the saw how some of the smaller lenders were making bank by leveraging in the mortgage industry the jump on that bandwagon fast! Soon, everyone was making money hand over fist. Only problem was nobody stopped long enough to see that the interest rate on those adjustable rate mortgages would come due on or about the same time w/so many being balloon payments - "pay in full" NOW!

    The solution? Let everyithing run its course, and then revert to the sound lending practices that would -prevent- a 'sub prime' credit collapse. The idea that only government can fix what's currently wrong is absurd, unsound, unsupportable, and championed only by people that stand to gain personal and/or partisan political power from doing so.
    I can't agree with you here. The banks and mortgage lending companies (including Freddie and Fanny...especially Freddie and Fanny) along w/AIG were all leveraged to the hilt! What made things worse is that AIG had a large portion of the mortgage backed securities that went so wrong and were calling them in from the banks!! The very banks that weren't getting paid by the homeowners because they mailed in their keys! If folks weren't paying their mortgages, the banks weren't getting paid. If the banks aren't getting paid, AIG's investment in the real estate securities and investment field can't be repaid. The banks can't pay because their operating and reserve funds are tied up just trying to keep them afloat. It was a mad, vicious cycle. Corporate American couldn't fix itself.

    Just like a liberal, to make stuff up just so he could bash the other side.
    Now, that's neither fair nor right. Do your homework; do a websearch on CDO's and/or mortgage-backed securities and then you'll understand what really happened. Don't believe the hype! This mess really kicked off around 2003 and by 2008 the bottom fell out!!
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    Re: Obama: ‘don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking’

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    Oh yes you are!!! Single payer IS Socialized medicine!!!
    strictly speaking single payer is not a socialized medical system the way many European countries have. In a single payer system the government does not own the hospitals nor do they directly employ the doctors, the government simply acts as an insurance company with taxes as the insurance premium. It is a social program but it is not a socialized medical program. I realize this may seem like splitting hairs but it is important to get the terms right.

    Single payer is socialized medical coverage but not socialized medicine. The means of production namely the hospitals and doctors are still privately owned.

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