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    Re: Terrorists kidnap, torture boy to bully Iraqi policeman

    There have been numerous analyst and experts over the years that have discussed root causes of extremism and terrorism, but this is almost a new breed. Political, social, and economic oppression has certainly bred all kinds of criminality from organized crime, to criminal gangs, to terrorists, and to extreme political movements. But even then this simply does not answer the why to this level of inhumanity and cruelty. I think in cases like this we can ascribe these root causes. I am strongly in the conviction that if al-Qaeda did not exist, these individuals would be somewhere else committing sadistic acts; either as serial killers, mass murders, torturers, or other craven acts of violence.

    Zacarias Moussaoui in the end turned out to be a very mentally unstable person, probably bordering on insane. I think it is telling that it appears this specific movement of al-Qaeda seems to attract the psychotics, sadists, and mentally ill in the world. It is simplistic to just say they are evil, that label could be applied to anything we do not agree with. I think in the case of these individuals to say they are evil is simplistic as well, as it is by all appearance that they are psychopaths, and I mean this literally.

    The irony was that it was acts such as these that turned the Sunni tribes ,involved in the insurgency, towards the U.S. to form an alliance.

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    Re: Terrorists kidnap, torture boy to bully Iraqi policeman

    And I really think you guys are being hypocritical, by the way, pretending to find this admirable, when we all know it's abhorrent.

    This policeman was not withstanding torture in order to keep bad guys from going free. His son was.
    There's nothing honorable, brave, or heroic about his actions. He even lied to the boy's mother, never telling her that the kidnappers were calling him to negotiate. Never telling her the boy was still alive.

    If this happened to a policeman here, if organized criminals or an extremist political group kidnapped his son and held him for two years, calling dad up periodically to let him know the child was still alive and being tortured, and that they'd return him in exchange for the release of some of their incarcerated brethren, and if the father failed to take the action that would secure his son's release from the torturers because he "wasn't about to let any bad guys go free to kill other Christians" and said "let my son be a martyr"... we'd all avoid that cop like the plague. He'd be a pariah. He'd scare the crap out of us. We would realize instinctively that he wasn't human in the sense that we understand humanity. We wouldn't be able to relate or empathize in any way with that.
    Sure, we might say, "Gosh, that's really darned, uh... honorable of you, Officer", but in the end, would we invite this person for dinner? Would we want him around our children? Would we want him in our homes?

    There's nothing honorable about letting your child suffer when you have the power to prevent it. Nothing natural or human about it, either.
    He should've just released the prisoners, and then rounded them back up again after his son was safe.
    This is as bad as the parents who "prayed" for their diabetic daughter to get well while depriving her of medication. That wasn't "honorable" either, although other extremist Christians might think so.
    Religious fanatics of any stripe are such a turn-off to me. So are Nationalists.
    I don't care what happens to any of them.

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    Re: Terrorists kidnap, torture boy to bully Iraqi policeman

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    And I really think you guys are being hypocritical, by the way, pretending to find this admirable, when we all know it's abhorrent.
    I don't.
    I think it is beyond brave.

    My Government has done it, as has yours.
    We don't bow to a terrorists demands, infact british soldiers are being held hostage. They wanted US to release dangerous terrorists in return for British soldiers.

    Should we release them knowing more people might die if they are released? Absolutely not.


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    Re: Terrorists kidnap, torture boy to bully Iraqi policeman

    Terrible but....Not Our Problem. (those people have been killing each other for centuries & will continue forever. I don't want American lives or American dollars being wasted for something that is not our problem)

    We had no business going in & have no business still being there. (the only one benefiting is Exxon-Mobil)
    Even though I understand Obama's lethargic troop withdrawal schedule, forced on him by political considerations, I disagree with his policy & say to get all our troops out of Iraq by noon-tomorrow!...ALL Of Them!!
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    Re: Terrorists kidnap, torture boy to bully Iraqi policeman

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I don't.
    I think it is beyond brave.
    No; beyond brave would've been if the policeman had attempted to secure his son's release by exchanging himself as the hostage, and had withstood this torture himself so that he could "be a martyr" and "protect other Muslims".
    But even so, we look askance at this sort of thing in our society.


    My Government has done it, as has yours.
    That certainly doesn't do anything to persuade me that a given action is honorable, or even okay.


    We don't bow to a terrorists demands, infact british soldiers are being held hostage. They wanted US to release dangerous terrorists in return for British soldiers.

    Should we release them knowing more people might die if they are released? Absolutely not.
    And if the terrorists called the British soldiers' fathers and offered them their sons back in exchange for something that it was in their power to do, these fathers would do it. They wouldn't drone on about preferring their children to be "martyrs".

    The whole story sounds fishy, anyway. The kid "says" they did this, he "says" they did that. Why is the reporter phrasing it that way? If the child was tortured, surely there is evidence beyond hearsay, and a "tiny wound" on the boy's leg where he claims a nail was pounded into him. Surely the fact that the terrorists made him "work on a farm gathering carrots" would be far down the list of indignities and torments inflicted upon him, not near the top.
    Last edited by 1069; 08-08-09 at 12:00 PM.

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    Re: Terrorists kidnap, torture boy to bully Iraqi policeman

    And why would the father tell the reporter "The thing that hurts me the most [bold emphasis mine] is when they hammered a nail into my son's leg" (the alleged source of the "tiny wound" displayed to the reporter), when the son also allegedly was beaten with a shovel, had both arms broken, and had his fingernails and teeth pulled out (except that he obviously still has teeth; his mouth is closed over them in the photo).

    Is the "tiny wound" on his leg the only physical evidence of this alleged ordeal?
    It's the only one described by the reporter.

    What is the second photo of? The first one is a picture of the boy; it says 1 of 2. My computer won't let me view the second one, though.
    Last edited by 1069; 08-08-09 at 12:29 PM.

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